[Trade] Jets trade Laine (26% retained) and Roslovic to Columbus for PLD and 2022 3rd

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think this trade is that bad for Winnipeg. Given the players contract status, I'd probably take PLD over Laine.

I just feel like neither of these players will be with their new teams long-term though.

Winnipeg increased their cap hit on this deal and both players are signed for this year and next. Pretty good trade by Columbus to get Laine for less than 5 million a year for this year and next.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Winnipeg increased their cap hit on this deal and both players are signed for this year and next. Pretty good trade by Columbus to get Laine for less than 5 million a year for this year and next.

Laine is an RFA after this season.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Winnipeg increased their cap hit on this deal and both players are signed for this year and next. Pretty good trade by Columbus to get Laine for less than 5 million a year for this year and next.

Capfriendly has Laine signed for only this year. RFA after that.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i don't know Laine and Roslovic and Jets retain salary for PLD and a 3rd?

Seems like Jets that trade imo

Win or lose????????

Don’t leave me hanging!

[GioforPM]

I didn’t know about JLB’s dad being in Winnipeg, which changes my assessment a bit.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sorry, but this is a really bad take.

Yes, Dubois is a really good young C. But it's not JUST about acquiring assets, you have to PAY to get. And how much you pay matters. The Flames might well be the best team in the Cdn division this year, they can't just tear the team apart in order to acquire a player.

People keep mentioning that Bennett would be a comparable for Roslovic, for example. Which is true. However, Roslovic isn't signed, and doesn't cost the Jets anything to move. However, 'throwing in Bennett' would be a huge blow to our bottom 6.

Monahan + Bennett would have made the team worse this year. Does it improve the team long term? That's a different conversation. But when you have a legit chance to go deep in the playoffs, you can't just rip your team up in hopes that it helps down the road.

This is a good take, I think for the Flames it is more about timing. Now is not the time to move players and risk this season. The team is playing well the guys seem to be coming together. Moving players now could backfire and set the team back for another couple seasons. Unlike the Flames the teams that made trades had players that wanted out.

That said, I do like the idea of the Flames trying to nab skilled top young players to replenish the top 6. This would be preferable to having to go through another partial/full rebuild. Older skilled players packaged might net that high draft player.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I didn’t know about JLB’s dad being in Winnipeg, which changes my assessment a bit.

Jean Luc Bublé?

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[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I agree that the Jets got better (long term). Having Schiefele - PLD down the middle is huge. And Schiefele will make PLD a better player.

However, Laine was a game breaker. And Wheeler's days as a game breaker are behind him. I think they will struggle offensively this year, even though I think it is a good move for them long term.

I do think that Laine is a game breaker - a lethal game breaker at that. There are just long periods of time when he isn't, and he isn't doing anything else to help the team win (like physical play, defence, etc). I think he actively hurts the team during those stretches. I do think as he matures, he will probably become the best winger in the NHL - I think he already is during his 'on' stretches.


I don't think, however, that Winnipeg will experience much of a lull in their goal scoring. Wheeler is aging and is easy to see, but Dubois is a play driving centre. I do think that he will make room for other players to score. Kyle Connor was their best winger (arguably best player anyway). They also have Perfetti who looks like he will be a good forward, and to a lesser extent, Vesalainen (who will probably be a decent forward, but IMO his stock has dropped a bit). Wingers are always easier to acquire.



I think that Winnipeg will miss Laine's shooting ability (their whole 1st unit PP seemed centred around that shot, so now they will have to come up with something else, LOL), but I don't think that they will find it more difficult to score this year.


They also have Stastny back who I think will function kind of like Backlund and take a lot of key defensive zone draws, allowing Dubois better match-ups and offensive zone starts to make his life a bit easier. Offensively, I think that Winnipeg will be fine.



I don't think they will be a much better team, however, and I don't view them as contenders.



However, long term, it seems few players are happy being in Winnipeg. Both Winnipeg and Columbus seem like the two teams that regularly 'bleed' talent. Looks like they both teams managed to put a temporary band-aid on one another this season, but it is a trend for both teams.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I didn’t know about JLB’s dad being in Winnipeg, which changes my assessment a bit.

Jean-Luc Brassard is a skier.

[Sylvanfan]

Juvenile Little Bit**? I could see Torts calling him that.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Winnipeg increased their cap hit on this deal and both players are signed for this year and next. Pretty good trade by Columbus to get Laine for less than 5 million a year for this year and next.

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Laine is an RFA. He's going to get huge money this offseason and I don't think he'll be worth it.

Beyond that anyway, at least PLD has one more season beyond that at a reasonable cap hit. Again, I don't think either player is long for their new teams, but at least one has a reasonable price for another year.

[D as in David]

Not overly familiar with Winnipeg's roster but which winger moves up to take Laine's spot? Obviously, wouldn't be at the same level as him but do they have a player who is buried somewhat in relation to their skill level?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Not overly familiar with Winnipeg's roster but which winger moves up to take Laine's spot? Obviously, wouldn't be at the same level as him but do they have a player who is buried somewhat in relation to their skill level?

That's the thing, I don't like their depth on wing at all (this year). They have:

Connor
Wheeler
Ehlers
...
crickets

[Enoch Root]

they are, however, stacked at C:

Schiefele
PLD
Stastny

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

they are, however, stacked at C:

Schiefele
PLD
Stastny

And Bryan Little if he ever comes back.....who has also played wing before.

But yeah,,,the winger depth is very lean. Copp and Lowry are good but much more role guys.

[TheRealPepman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

they are, however, stacked at C:

Schiefele
PLD
Stastny

Wish the Flames have center depth like that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheRealPepman

Wish the Flames have center depth like that.

Compare the D and you'll feel better

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by TheRealPepman

Wish the Flames have center depth like that.

Flames do.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Lowry is a centre. Their centre depth is really strong:


Scheifele
Dubois
Stastny
Lowry


I really like Lowry personally.



The winger depth isn't great, but Connor is fricken good.

Wheelers is aging, but he should still be good for this season, and serviceable probably for a couple more years at least.
Ehlers I am not too high on, but he is talented and is already better than I thought he would become.


After that, they don't have any real talent outside of their prospects. However, pairings are more important I think.



Connor - Scheifele - that's as good as it gets IMO.
Ehlers - Dubois - this makes more sense to me - I can't see Ehlers being a 'shut down guy'.
Wheeler - Stastny - maybe this works?
Copp - Lowry - that's a really strong 4th line


Maybe they keep Wheeler in the top 6.



At any rate, I think they have enough talent to make some noise, but they are going to finish middle-of-the-pack in the division, barring some regular heroics by Hellebuyck. Dangerous team for sure, but not a contender. Just don't have the depth (though that 4th line I really, really like).

[Enoch Root]

Wheeler stays with Connor and Scchiefele, I'm guessing

And then they have little in the way of wingers for the 2nd and 3rd line.

But that C depth is as good as anybody's.

I think they finish 4th, behind CGY, MON and TOR (because of their D, and lack of depth on wing)