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Old 07-20-2025, 02:17 PM   #5521
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Great post overall. I would like to point out, that 3 seasons ago, he outscored his next closest teammate by 31 points. 2 seasons ago, 13 points. Last season he seemed to have a lot more support but he has shown he can be a top producer on teams with far less talent than last years stars team

I think he is more of a play driver than he is getting credit for by many. You don’t outscore your whole team by 31 points without driving play
I know one has to be cautious about watching highlight reels and drawing conclusions. They always show the best moments and obviously no one makes negative highlight reels.

With that being said, one thing I noticed about Robertson is that a lot of his goals seem to come from rather normal plays or individual sneaky plays that come from nowhere. He doesn't seem to rely heavily on being set up. It's certainly not flashy, but it does give me hope that he would be able to replicate it on any team.

In a way, he kind of reminds me of Tyler Toffoli in that respect, but more consistent. Not fast, not flashy, but has a style of play that can be universally applied. You never know until it actually happens though, and I totally understand why someone might be apprehensive to assume a player can replicate production on another team.
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Old 07-20-2025, 02:18 PM   #5522
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What?? You'd balk at acquiring a star goalie because the's the ripe old age of 24?
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Moving goalposts much? How is Andersson Calgary's most valuable asset anyway?
I sincerely ask you to help me understand how I moved the goalpost. Maybe I did but my original post was a response to Dino's comment comparing the ages of Robertson and Wolf, one of which we would have to pay to acquire and one we wouldn't. In evaluating a potential acquisition, wouldn't it be part of the decision-making process to consider what you already have and where and if the acquisition would fit?
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Old 07-20-2025, 02:22 PM   #5523
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Moving goalposts much? How is Andersson Calgary's most valuable asset anyway?
I didn't say most valuable asset, I said most valuable trade asset. I really meant most valuable and most likely to be traded soon.
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You're getting lawyered now, DasinDavid. Lawyers live for these exchanges and this will go until you die or give up.
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Robertson is less than 2 years older than Wolf...his age is being exaggerated a bit here. You would be getting most of his prime years and likely all good years.

Players are in better shape than ever, Marchand just signed until 43 and we are worried about 33 lol.
Also worth remembering, Andersson is only 2 years and 8 months older than Robertson. Many posters here keep valuing Andersson based on how old he will be in 9 years instead of his actual age.
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Moving goalposts much? How is Andersson Calgary's most valuable asset anyway?
It is amazing how the goalposts may look like they are moving if you do not even look at where they are to begin with.
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Old 07-20-2025, 07:14 PM   #5527
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The Flames have Wolf, though. If they didn't, there would be a legitimate question whether he would be a good acquisition - at high cost - at this point on their retool.
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If I already have another 7 years remaining on a 32-year-old goaltender whom I'm paying an elite-level salary? A slightly underperforming one whom I'm unlikely to trade for the foreseeable future?

Yes, I'd have some questions about whether I should use my most valuable trade asset for him.
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I sincerely ask you to help me understand how I moved the goalpost. Maybe I did but my original post was a response to Dino's comment comparing the ages of Robertson and Wolf, one of which we would have to pay to acquire and one we wouldn't. In evaluating a potential acquisition, wouldn't it be part of the decision-making process to consider what you already have and where and if the acquisition would fit?
The bolded part wasn't in your first post which was just about aquiring an elite young goalie.

But to answer your question, yes you'd make a move to get an elite player even if you have another guy at that position you pay a big salary. And in Hubderdeau's case, that salary is getting more and more manageable. Plus no one says you have to keep Robertson forever. If you are trading for more talent it's not a bad thing ever.
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It is amazing how the goalposts may look like they are moving if you do not even look at where they are to begin with.
Or when they are actually being moved.
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Old 07-20-2025, 07:52 PM   #5529
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I am hoping we do not add any players like Robertson, unless they are cheap.

We are not really in the position now to start adding these players. We should get a few good draft picks in first, over the next few years. After that, we can start looking at adding.
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Great post overall. I would like to point out, that 3 seasons ago, he outscored his next closest teammate by 31 points. 2 seasons ago, 13 points. Last season he seemed to have a lot more support but he has shown he can be a top producer on teams with far less talent than last years stars team

I think he is more of a play driver than he is getting credit for by many. You don’t outscore your whole team by 31 points without driving play
2021/22 Florida Panthers
Jonathan Huberdeau: 115 pts
Aleksander Barkov: 88 pts

Difference of 27 pts.

If only Huberdeau had gotten an additional 4 points that season, then we would have gotten a play driver!
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Old 07-20-2025, 08:02 PM   #5531
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If Conroy can trade quantity for quality, he should be all over it. If the quality piece coming back doesn't fit a need, it is easier to trade a quality piece for another quality piece that fits, than it is to find someone willing to trade quality for quantity. I think we should be all over getting Robertson if he's available, use him to get the center we need. But, I'm OutToLunch, so what the $@#^ do I know.
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Remember we are in a rebuild. So we shouldn't be trading prospects and picks for assets that help you win innediately.

If Robertson is available for Andersson absolutely do it. But he likely isnt available for the type of assets the Flames should be trading at this stage of a rebuild.

You might not agree, which is fine. But it isn't an unreasonable take. No need to be condescending.
According to our GM we are in fact not in a rebuild. So all of your points here are invalid.
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According to our GM we are in fact not in a rebuild. So all of your points here are invalid.
3 years out of the playoffs and counting then, i guess just wildly incompetent then. i don't think that's the hill you want to die on
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so stupid after a decent breakdown I provided. You may not agree but you two are insufferable when anyone doesnt agree with blind "always go for it" optimism with the Flames, lol.
You can breakdown whatever you want, it is irrelevant. The GM has made it clear it's a retool with the goal to make the playoffs. He has made it clear if he can add scoring help to this group he will. You can get all butthurt we are not tearing it down until the cows come home, fill your boots.
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3 years out of the playoffs and counting then, i guess just wildly incompetent then. i don't think that's the hill you want to die on
I am not dying on any hill, it's what direction the team has chosen. People can pissed off at me all they like if it makes them feel better I guess.
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If Conroy can add Roberson in a deal with Dallas I can promise you he will absolutely spend assets to do so.
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Usually when you are retooling, you would want some pieces already on the team that you can retool and build around.

We have Parekh on defense and there is Wolf. But we really do not have any elite building blocks at forward. That is why I believe this is more of a rebuild, regardless of what ownership and management want to say.

Conroy is not dumb, he knows you are not going to be a contender unless you get a couple of elite forwards first. And the only way to find those is usually in the top part of the draft.

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Usually when you are retooling, you would want some pieces already on the team that you can retool and build around.

We have Parekh on defense and there is Wolf. But we really do not have any elite building blocks at forward. That is why I believe this is more of a rebuild, regardless of what ownership and management want to say.

Conroy is not dumb, he knows you are not going to be a contender unless you get a couple of elite forwards first.
For instance, acquiring Robertson.

the whole idea of a rebuild or a retool is to acquire good players. Robertson is a good player.

(I am not a big proponent of acquiring him, bit this idea that we shouldn't pursue good players because we are rebuilding, is just bizarre)
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According to our GM we are in fact not in a rebuild. So all of your points here are invalid.
We carried 20 million in cap space and traded a bunch of of our core veterans while doing very little to improve the roster. Call it what you want, but we are rebuilding. Regardless, its a discussion board. Let people discuss without being so snarky to anyone that disagrees with you.
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For instance, acquiring Robertson.

the whole idea of a rebuild or a retool is to acquire good players. Robertson is a good player.

(I am not a big proponent of acquiring him, bit this idea that we shouldn't pursue good players because we are rebuilding, is just bizarre)
Its not adding Robertson that people disagree with. Its paying the cost to acquire Robertson that is at issue.
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