Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I fully expect the Liberals to go whole hog into a distraction operation, and a flash the cash operation.

Maybe they can use some of these Chinese government contacts to help get a high speed rail network built between Toronto and Montreal and Banff-Calgary-Edmonton?

[Ashasx]

In 2 years, we will wonder why the Liberals won another election despite the China interference scandal, the WE Charity scandal, the SNC Lavalin affair, and the Aga Khan scandal, among others (and certainly new ones yet to arise), while the Conservatives chase down the support of the convoy crowd.

This will be yet another blip with no measurable impact.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

In 2 years, we will wonder why the Liberals won another election despite the China interference scandal, the WE Charity scandal, the SNC Lavalin affair, and the Aga Khan scandal, among others (and certainly new ones yet to arise), while the Conservatives chase down the support of the convoy crowd.

This will be yet another blip with no measurable impact.

And there will still be no introspection on the part of the CPC as to why a majority of the population dislikes them.

[AltaGuy]

Man I wish there was an NDP leader with some cajones right now. Tom Mulcair would be much appreciated. They could really be leaning on the Liberals... Instead we get platitudes.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DFO

And there will still be no introspection on the part of the CPC as to why a majority of the population dislikes them.

The CPC garnered more votes last election than the Liberals.....so does that mean an even bigger majority of the population dislikes them as well?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

In 2 years, we will wonder why the Liberals won another election despite the China interference scandal, the WE Charity scandal, the SNC Lavalin affair, and the Aga Khan scandal, among others (and certainly new ones yet to arise), while the Conservatives chase down the support of the convoy crowd.

This will be yet another blip with no measurable impact.

Doubtful.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by altaguy

man i wish there was an ndp leader with some cajones right now. Tom mulcair would be much appreciated. They could really be leaning on the liberals... Instead we get platitudes.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1638678092058345472

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Man I wish there was an NDP leader with some cajones right now. Tom Mulcair would be much appreciated. They could really be leaning on the Liberals... Instead we get platitudes.

I really respected Angry Tom as a party leader, he tried to make the NDP a viable alternative vote with some fiscal sanity.

Watching him this morning on CTV talking about this, he has a strong handle on the issues facing Trudeau over the next couple of days and what might happen in terms of his discussions with Biden.

If I was going to vote NDP, and I probably wouldn't as their platform really isn't in my political sphere, but if I was going to vote for a leader it would have been Mulcair.

[monkeyman]

People continue to support Trudeau for the exact same reason people in the states continue to support Trump.
Both have managed to create a divide of us vs them and use it to instil a sense of fear and doom in their base if the other side wins. All of which is nonsense and you’d hope people could see through it. But here we are.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

People continue to support Trudeau for the exact same reason people in the states continue to support Trump.
Both have managed to create a divide of us vs them and use it to instil a sense of fear and doom in their base if the other side wins. All of which is nonsense and you’d hope people could see through it. But here we are.

I just like to vote Liberal cause it triggers the 'Bertaaaa people here. Not like any vote other than blue matters in Alberta haha

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The CPC garnered more votes last election than the Liberals.....so does that mean an even bigger majority of the population dislikes them as well?

Not really. Some good polling on second choice candidates here:

https://www.ekospolitics.com/index.p...ized-gridlock/

Also interesting is the disinformation chart and support for the Freedom Convoy. 55% of Conservatives support it, which might explain why PP caters to their stupidity, which is highlighted in the disinformation chart. Tell me again how the CPC isn't made up of fact denying convoy supporters...

Spoiler!

I'm sure if you asked which media they follow, it'd be heavily weighted to purveyors of lies and stupidity, like Rebel and WS. You are what you eat, as they say.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The CPC garnered more votes last election than the Liberals.....so does that mean an even bigger majority of the population dislikes them as well?

If you look at the bigger picture

Right wing parties got ~38.6% of the popular vote
Left wing parties got ~52.7% of the popular vote
The Bloc got 7.64%

The bottom line is that Canada for better or worse is majority Centre left. With that in mind, if the CPC wants to form a majority they need to convince Centre left voters that their social politics are moderate. In the last few elections it seems they are more concerned with grabbing votes from the 4.94% who vote for the far right party, than the 20 odd seats they need to steal from the LPC.

[CaptainCrunch]

If there's one major reason to involve the RCMP especially when dealing with the PMO's office which is key to anything is the preservation of documentation and putting the Liberals on notice of a pending investigation.

We know that the RCMP was going to investigate SNC Lavalin and went to the PMO's office and were rebuffed but that was under Lucki.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Still valid.

CSIS made the government aware of this before the last election yet this is only coming out now. If it can be leaked now it could have been leaked earlier, I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to be concerned about the fact that if these allegations are true then there’s clearly a failure in the system that isn’t going to be resolved by whatever happens to Dong.

At no point did I ever suggest that CSIS should have detained or arrested Dong, which for some reason you’ve now brought up in 2 of your responses. It would have been up to the RCMP after having it reported to them to investigate and handle the prosecution side of things.

I also can’t understand why you were quoting Trudeau’s comments in response to his office being notified about the foreign interference investigation when my post was about Dong allegedly discussing the 2 Michaels with the Chinese government. The Global article makes it pretty clear that their whistleblowers made no allegations that CSIS reported that to the PMO.

Were you by chance making an assumption?

You are twisting yourself so hard to convince yourself you turned into a pretzel.

CSIS provides highly classified briefings relating to national security to very select members of government and the RCMP as needed. If a terrorist threat was imminent CSIS is not going to broadcast to the public or to the CBC that they briefed the PMO on it. We as citizens are not privy to this information. We get blurbs about it later such as this release.

https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archiv...sm-arrest.html

And foreign interference was reported at the time.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chi...ence-1.5284473

Canada's intelligence services are carefully monitoring the threat of agents of the Chinese and Indian governments working with diaspora communities here to influence the upcoming federal election, according to a number of sources who have been briefed on their activities.

Those sources — who spoke to CBC on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record — also said intelligence services are monitoring efforts by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela to influence the election campaign, while an integrated intelligence unit has been giving political parties bi-weekly briefings about foreign actors' activities in Canada.

The government and intelligence sources said one of the ways foreign countries go about pushing their agenda in Canada is by attending nomination meetings to help select candidates favourable to their causes.

This is dated September 16 2019. While we the public only get some vague information, a detailed briefing is given to high ranking government officials with security clearance. We now know that the PMO was briefed about specific individuals including Don Hong. This was classified information we should not have known if not for continued government inaction. Secret briefings happen all the time.

https://macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/...russian-spies/

When asked about the context of the Coulombe notes, an agency spokeswoman says: “In the course of our business, CSIS prepares advice and recommendations for the government of Canada. As you can appreciate, I cannot go into specific details … What I can say is that foreign influence activity is a long-standing, serious threat to national security and one of our main priorities.”

Dated 2018

As for your sudden denial and amnesia, your own words that I replied to was "I imagine that our top national security agency would have more options available to them for dealing with someone, whether they are an MP or just an average everyday Canadian"

Did you forget what you wrote? What did mean by more options? What did you think CSIS should have done with Han Dong outside of what they did (inform)? You also realize that the whistleblowers are disclosing more information as we go right, which is likely to include that the PMO was briefed about Han Dong's meetings? Are you going to play dumb and seriously claim that CSIS held on this and never told anyone about Dong's secret meetings? Do you want really want to continue with this flawed (and quite frankly stupid) partisan argument?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

People continue to support Trudeau for the exact same reason people in the states continue to support Trump.
Both have managed to create a divide of us vs them and use it to instil a sense of fear and doom in their base if the other side wins. All of which is nonsense and you’d hope people could see through it. But here we are.

Lets not kid ourselves. The conservatives are just as much to blame in creating this divide. But is it anything new? I think the prevalence of social media giving everyone echo chambers exacerbated this for sure, but this has always been the nature our democratic system IMO, and there's nothing you can really do to change it. Look at American politics. There's always going to be roughly half the people who are unhappy with the voting results.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by transplant99

The CPC garnered more votes last election than the Liberals.....so does that mean an even bigger majority of the population dislikes them as well?

Not where it really matters

[woob]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

In 2 years, we will wonder why the Liberals won another election despite the China interference scandal, the WE Charity scandal, the SNC Lavalin affair, and the Aga Khan scandal, among others (and certainly new ones yet to arise), while the Conservatives chase down the support of the convoy crowd.

This will be yet another blip with no measurable impact.

Coming from someone who voted Liberal, Conservative, Liberal (and fully accept that the Liberals are borking it) I wouldn't at all be surprised if Liberals won again. I also wouldn't be surpised if Trudeau is not at the helm when that election occurs.

[Red Slinger]

I haven't been following this closely but have the allegations against Dong been proven? If so, he needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and Trudeau should resign. If not, I think we need to let the dust settle a little before we bring out all the torches and pitchforks.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

People continue to support Trudeau for the exact same reason people in the states continue to support Trump.
Both have managed to create a divide of us vs them and use it to instil a sense of fear and doom in their base if the other side wins. All of which is nonsense and you’d hope people could see through it. But here we are.

How to say how out of touch you are without saying so. I honestly can't believe anyone who supports the conservatives are the ones claiming the other side/Libs are the ones being divisive. And the only evidence they have is that one comment trudeau said about those who are unvaccinated.

Lets ignore absolutely everything the right has done against not only political parties and their leaders, but also the people that support them. The signs they protest with, they signs they put in their fields or yard at home which call for the harm of politicians but shrug it off as a joke when called out on it. And that was going on way before covid.

Imagine being the divisive ones and then claiming to be the victim. That's some kind of speical. There's one party here always playing the same cards that Trump did, and it certainly isn't the Liberals doing that all the time.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I really respected Angry Tom as a party leader, he tried to make the NDP a viable alternative vote with some fiscal sanity.

Watching him this morning on CTV talking about this, he has a strong handle on the issues facing Trudeau over the next couple of days and what might happen in terms of his discussions with Biden.

If I was going to vote NDP, and I probably wouldn't as their platform really isn't in my political sphere, but if I was going to vote for a leader it would have been Mulcair.

Angry Beard was a excellent parliamentarian. He also had the luxury of always being able to be on the attack.
Would've been interesting to see him defend his govt had he and the party been in a position to do so. Incredibly smart man.
Layton must be spinning in his grave at the current state of the federal NDP.