Brad Treliving needs to go

[Roof-Daddy]

It's looking more and more with each passing game that Treliving should be ridiculously embarrassed for taking this long to hire an actual real NHL coach, but not fired. The team looks amazing so far.

Sure wish he would have gotten Eichel though. Hopefully that doesn't come back to haunt us, with him being in Vegas now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Yeah, Darryl Sutter is a hall of fame coach. Good thing Edwards signed him to replace the last of Treliving's many coaching mis-hires.

You can grasp at straws but the team is good

Players Brad brought in are playing unreal

Coach is part of it but not everything

#### Eichel, imagine the Oilers had Markstrom!

[neo45]

Brad is like Craig Button in 2003

Hired the right coach (finally) but isn’t the right guy to be in charge of the team moving forward

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by neo45

Brad is like Craig Button in 2003

Hired the right coach (finally) but isn’t the right guy to be in charge of the team moving forward

lol

Except Brad brought in or signed the entire team that is playing so well...other than that exactly the same

Button didn't trade for Iginla or get Kipper FYI

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ and the common link between then and now would be… ?

Notice anything about the off season signings?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ and the common link between then and now would be… ?

Notice anything about the off season signings?

He is the one who brought up Craig Button...there is no link at all


Just a team on a 128 point pace that Brad built


or were you replying to him...its really a terrible comparison


anyway I should stop bumping this, anyone who thinks a team playing this well should fire their GM is so far beyond reality its impossible to debate them

Panthers, Oilers, Canes, should fire their GMs tomorrow too

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's looking more and more with each passing game that Treliving should be ridiculously embarrassed for taking this long to hire an actual real NHL coach, but not fired. The team looks amazing so far.

Sure wish he would have gotten Eichel though. Hopefully that doesn't come back to haunt us, with him being in Vegas now.

Going back to the Glen Gulutzan hire, you gotta remember why Gulutzan was the guy.

The year was 2016, and the Pittsburgh Penguins under Mike Sullivan had just completed what, in my opinion, was and still is the most impressive cup run of the post-cap era.

That team was built to perfection. And I'm not even talking about Crosby and Malkin. I'm talking about:

- An amazing blend of FAST puckmoving defensemen - Dumoulin-Letang as the top pair , Trevor Daley on the second pair (playing with Olli Maatta who wasn't bad either), and then you had Justin Schultz on the third pair (playing with Ian Cole, probably the most underrated Dman this past decade).

- Speedy pure forechecking wingers straight out of the AHL but hungry for every puck - Conor Sheary, Bryan Rust, Tom Kuhnhackl

- a killer third line of Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel - two ridiculously fast wingers flanking a responsible two-way centre.

- a solid "PP specialist" forward (Patrik Hornqvist)

- an experienced, mobile, and still-skilled 4C who could handle any checking matchup you threw at him (Matt Cullen)

And the WAY that team played. They came at you in waves. Maybe my version of this sounds a little rose-coloured but they'd complete three full line changes in your zone... and then complete a fourth line change that scored on you.

We've seen some great teams over the years, but that team seemed to reinvent the idea of "playing fast". It was insane how little time and space they'd give you because of how they were constructed.

Well anyways, Glen Gulutzan was on the same staff as Mike Sullivan in Vancouver, and probably sold to Treliving that that was the style he was going to implement.

Who wouldn't want that?

Even though teams like Tampa, Washington, and St. Louis have won the Cup since then, I've still never seen anything like those 2016 Penguins. That... is textbook modern hockey.

It's a shame Treliving couldn't put together a roster that could play that style (seriously... Brouwer/Neal?), and Gulutzan was not actually another Mike Sullivan... but I can't blame Tre for being enamoured with that 2016 Penguins team either.

Because I would try to build a version of that team every single time.

Anyways tl;dr Geoff Ward sucked too

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is the one who brought up Craig Button...there is no link at all


Just a team on a 128 point pace that Brad built


or were you replying to him...its really a terrible comparison


anyway I should stop bumping this, anyone who thinks a team playing this well should fire their GM is so far beyond reality its impossible to debate them

Panthers, Oilers, Canes, should fire their GMs tomorrow too

Yeah, you should stop bumping this.

The common link between the 2003 turnaround and the 2021 turnaround is Darryl by the way, in case you didn’t catch that. The coach change and subsequent roster change here seem to be correlated as well. However it happened, it addressed something a lot of people felt strongly about.

Maybe time to just enjoy the wins

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is the one who brought up Craig Button...there is no link at all


Just a team on a 128 point pace that Brad built


or were you replying to him...its really a terrible comparison


anyway I should stop bumping this, anyone who thinks a team playing this well should fire their GM is so far beyond reality its impossible to debate them

Panthers, Oilers, Canes, should fire their GMs tomorrow too

You couldn’t pick a worse example

Yes the Oilers would be better off without Holland as GM. You know what that’s based on? His body of work as opposed to the results of a 10 game sample size of success

Same story here

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Yeah, Darryl Sutter is a hall of fame coach. Good thing Edwards signed him to replace the last of Treliving's many coaching mis-hires.

Yikes.

So, Edawards hired Sutter but decided to keep Treliving around? I applaud the mental gymnastics going on in your head. Compelling stuff.

[Goriders]

Flames are 7-1-3 and have the 4th best record in a 32 team league. One win from 2nd.

I would definitely start firing people as a rational thinking owner.

[Pockets18]

Kind of sad how some posters have to resort to insulting others to try and get their point across, it's the same people over and over.

[Flamesfan05]

When Pitlick, Ritchie and Lewis are your 3 RWs, you need to go ASAP

If that’s not enough then for holding Backlund and Monahan this long

Or not signing Johnny by now

There is really too many negatives and zero positive

[Erick Estrada]

Nothing will make me happier to see Treliving receive a pink slip at the end of the season. It's criminal that he's been able to keep his job almost a decade considering the results. The problem is that I have a really bad feeling that Sutter will take over the GM spot and Muller will assume head coach duties which arguably puts the team in worse shape.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Oh, hey old thread! I haven't seen you in a while. Whatcha been up to?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nothing will make me happier to see Treliving receive a pink slip at the end of the season..

I personally would be a lot happier with the the team having strong results but you do you

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I personally would be a lot happier with the the team having strong results but you do you

I think all of us would. How many more years do you want to wait for these strong results? I think the team can still squeak into the playoffs but that doesn't change my position on the GM.

[Toonage]

Oddly enough if the team makes the playoffs and wins a round, Treliving likely stays and gets an extension. Does he deserve it? No, IMO he doesn't.

Its very a much a damned if you do situation with him. His time here should be done but winning cures all and that story has a few months left to play out.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Oddly enough if the team makes the playoffs and wins a round, Treliving likely stays and gets an extension. Does he deserve it? No, IMO he doesn't.

Its very a much a damned if you do situation with him. His time here should be done but winning cures all and that story has a few months left to play out.

Will he if Gaudreau walks for nothing? If the Flames make the playoffs and win a round it's something that will not be repeatable without Johnny in the lineup.

[Toonage]

If they win a round (or more) Gaudreau maybe stays. Like I said its all yet to play out. If they make the playoffs and get bounced right away and Gaudreau walks? He probably doesn't keep his job, no.