2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[bax]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

I think the key difference in opinion is: I do not see Kadri filling the role. I see a 40 point 2017-2019 style Kadri, but older, slower, and with an attitude problem expecting top line minutes to match the top line salary he is asking for.


Leaving us with still having a HUGE need to fill, and a cap space mess that prevents us from being able to fill it. Essentially writing off any chance the Flames have of actually solving the problem in the next 2-3 years.

From 2017-2019 Kadri averaged 0.68 PPG which would be about 56 points per season, not 40.

Regardless you have imagined attitude problems based off an imaginary salary.

What if they can sign him to something reasonable? 5 years at 7.5 or something? Is a 56 point two way center worth it? Probably I’d say.

Nobody signing Kadri should expect him to be a 100 point center. He is a gritty, responsible, two way center that can put up 50-60 points (more if the the star align with linemates/PP time).

[dissentowner]

If I were a betting man I would bet on Kadri landing in Detroit. Need for a 2nd line C and close to home, has a much brighter future than the Islanders. Detroit also has the cap space now.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

My only issue with Kadri is he doesn't really seem to want to be in Calgary. He kaiboshed a trade already (reportedly to stay in TO), and it was reported that earlier this summer he turned down a Flames offer again. After having two players bounce this summer who didn't want to be here I would be VERY leery of Kadri.

[Monahammer]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why are people doubting that its a duck? What is it, like 5 independent sources have now come out saying the exact same thing for almost a month now that he has already signed with NYI and there are just other moves that need to shake out first?

Why do we all have a hard time believing this piece of information when it's been repeated to us in the exact same terms time and time again?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If Stastny and someone like Milano is all we get done before the season start this season isn’t going to go well. We will have problems scoring.

I would gladly make another 200 goal bet, regardless of any other additions or lack thereof.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why are people doubting that its a duck? What is it, like 5 independent sources have now come out saying the exact same thing for almost a month now that he has already signed with NYI and there are just other moves that need to shake out first?

Why do we all have a hard time believing this piece of information when it's been repeated to us in the exact same terms time and time again?

Because actual insiders who are actually trustworthy like Elliott Friedman refute it. Most of these guys are trying to get the scoop over everyone else so there is a lot of so called insiders just guessing

[Vinny01]

Pagnotta, Shannon, Drance, Gregor are not real insiders these guys do not really break anything. I have no doubt Shannon/Gregory’s source is each other.

Lou keeps things tight though so not shocked if it is done but they need to love some money. I know it is fantasy land but if the Flames could dump Lucic I would be all for a Coronato+Dube+pick for Barzal if it were at all possible.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because actual insiders who are actually trustworthy like Elliott Friedman refute it. Most of these guys are trying to get the scoop over everyone else so there is a lot of so called insiders just guessing

Larry Brooks, John Shannon, Pagnotta... IMO none of these guys fit the description of people jumping for scoops.

There are others ranging down to that Barrie Colts Trainer, who again, have no potential benefit to breaking a scoop like this.

I don't see the upside for all of these individual people faking the exact same piece of news over and over... unless it's mostly the truth.

[Toonage]

Guys like Friedman keep quiet until they're certain there is something to report. Guys like Gregor (and more recently Weekes) rush to report without having all the facts in an attempt to solidify their reputation as insiders all the while jeopardizing it.

Gregor is famous (to me at least) for swearing up and down that Neal for Lucic wasn't going to happen. The day it happened.

[Monahammer]

Occam's razor here is that these people are all telling the truth, rather than some conspiracy generating the exact same lie among all of them to propagate.

[djsFlames]

Yup the big sources aren't confirming it. It also screams of NYI people wanting to be right because their team is boring and just treading water of late, so they're hyping this up as much as possible.

Also GMs guessing where a guy will end up doesn't mean that's what's happening. They're just making educated guesses based on hearsay.

No doubts the two camps have had serious discussions but again NYI can't outright make this signing, they have to move things around and it's yet to be seen if they can make it happen.

I'm sure that if there was a simple solution to free up the money they'd have done it.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Larry Brooks, John Shannon, Pagnotta... IMO none of these guys fit the description of people jumping for scoops.

There are others ranging down to that Barrie Colts Trainer, who again, have no potential benefit to breaking a scoop like this.

I don't see the upside for all of these individual people faking the exact same piece of news over and over... unless it's mostly the truth.

They may not be faking the story but are each other's source for said story, which has no real basis. There are a lot of NHL "rumour" people that really just publish stuff seen on Twitter.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Occam's razor here is that these people are all telling the truth, rather than some conspiracy generating the exact same lie among all of them to propagate.

Then why isn't it done?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Pagnotta, Shannon, Drance, Gregor are not real insiders these guys do not really break anything. I have no doubt Shannon/Gregory’s source is each other.

Lou keeps things tight though so not shocked if it is done but they need to love some money. I know it is fantasy land but if the Flames could dump Lucic I would be all for a Coronato+Dube+pick for Barzal if it were at all possible.

Barzal's QO scares me though if he doesn't rebound. Even if the Flames did qualify him at the more than $8 million he needs to be qualified at, he could just sign the QO then walk.

Maybe we could work out a long term extension at less than the QO number, but I would certainly want assurances first if Coronato was involved in the deal.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

They may not be faking the story but are each other's source for said story, which has no real basis. There are a lot of NHL "rumour" people that really just publish stuff seen on Twitter.

Sure, they might. But the more simple explanation is that all of these people paid to do this job are actually doing this job in some respect and are reporting what people close to this situation are telling them. Which is why we're hearing the exact same information repeated over and over again.

Go for simplicity. Most things are simple.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Then why isn't it done?

Because, the Isles still need to move out cap and they havent yet decided how to do that.

[djsFlames]

Don't touch Coronato.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Occam's razor here is that these people are all telling the truth, rather than some conspiracy generating the exact same lie among all of them to propagate.

It's not a conspiracy it's a rumor...these guys are often wrong consider the source.

Gaudreau to NJ was done too
CBJ offered him 12M ect.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Because, the Isles still need to move out cap and they havent yet decided how to do that.

And that's not a guarantee until a team agrees to help them in a way that they see fit.

Sounds like a pretty unresolved issue. Not something thats signed and sealed.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Larry Brooks, John Shannon, Pagnotta... IMO none of these guys fit the description of people jumping for scoops.


I don't see the upside for all of these individual people faking the exact same piece of news over and over... unless it's mostly the truth.

Everyone of those guys you just mentioned are terrible sources who tend to write garbage. As for the upside these guys throw stuff at the wall all the time. If it sticks they look great, if it doesn't they blame other sources and move on to the next rumour. Either way it's clickbait. I trust Friedman a hell of a lot more then those guys. I mean sure, he might sign with the NYI but I believe Friedman when he says nothing is done contractually yet.