The 2016 US American Election Thread

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

https://twitter.com/ericmichel/statu...311723008?s=09

Seriously, look at this picture and try to spot the non-white faces. It's like Where's Waldo: The Fascist Edition.

I wouldn't call Cubs fans Fascists, but they do definitely skew towards the lighter skin tones.

[troutman]

Jane Doe instructed Lisa Bloom to dismiss law suit.

http://people.com/politics/donald-tr...uit-dismissed/

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

https://twitter.com/ericmichel/statu...311723008?s=09

Seriously, look at this picture and try to spot the non-white faces. It's like Where's Waldo: The Fascist Edition.

Hahaha read the replies, this is actually a pretty hilarious troll job. "We're in agreement this is in Philadelphia though right?" "No, you idiot, you can see the Sears tower." "The Sears tower is so big you can see it from Philadelphia! Wow!"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by troutman

Jane Doe instructed Lisa Bloom to dismiss law suit.

http://people.com/politics/donald-tr...uit-dismissed/

Wonder if Trump is going to use this, it and I'm on no side on this, looks suspicious that she basically vanishes the weekend before the vote.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Remember this?

"A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump"

Yeah, a GIF of anticipation of waiting to see what the mass media would do in regards to covering Trump over very serious espionage allegations from, a spy, is buying into the media bull####. The one thing you can always count on from Trump supporters and dittoheads is false equivalency.

Hey, another sucker! Quit acting like your #### doesnt stink from atop your ivory tower. ...And then attempt to prove your point with a Clinton apologist piece from a media outlet who is financially backed by one of Clintons largest donors. Hardcore.

Yes, a Harvard study. What an apologist piece. I guess I'll have to start looking for more credible sources of information, like Infowars and Romanian websites setup to profit off racist Trump supporters.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wonder if Trump is going to use this, it and I'm on no side on this, looks suspicious that she basically vanishes the weekend before the vote.

The last report on this mentioned thay she had received numerous death threats. The woman is probably scared sh--less.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by direwolf

The last report on this mentioned thay she had received numerous death threats. The woman is probably scared sh--less.

She probably is, but at the same time its how Trump is going to use this in his narrative.

She's basically a cypher.

Because she never stepped forward in her press conference, and then dropped the suit the Saturday before voting Monday, its a big piece of damage control for him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by direwolf

The last report on this mentioned thay she had received numerous death threats. The woman is probably scared sh--less.

Can you blame her based on the vitriol?

[puffnstuff]

Either the threats or maybe she got a 'charitable contribution' from the Trump foundation.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

She probably is, but at the same time its how Trump is going to use this in his narrative.

She's basically a cypher.

Because she never stepped forward in her press conference, and then dropped the suit the Saturday before voting Monday, its a big piece of damage control for him.

And honestly, I hate Trump, but that whole suit is as fishy as can be. I think it was a simple shake down. Everything about it was dubious to say the least

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

And honestly, I hate Trump, but that whole suit is as fishy as can be. I think it was a simple shake down. Everything about it was dubious to say the least

A shakedown? For $75,000? You are aware that is what the suit was worth? A measly $75,000? Trump spends that on wine at one of his "campaign events" at his hotels.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by New Era

A shakedown? For $75,000? You are aware that is what the suit was worth? A measly $75,000? Trump spends that on wine at one of his "campaign events" at his hotels.

They weren't hoping for the win or a settlement. They were using this as a blackmail tactic I think. I read about this quite a while ago as I was curious why there wasn't much reporting by any real journalists. There's good reasons. Some of the known actors involved have done this before (threat lawsuit for money over scandalous or dubious claims).


Edit: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theg...its-norm-lubow

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They weren't hoping for the win or a settlement. They were using this as a blackmail tactic I think. I read about this quite a while ago as I was curious why there wasn't much reporting by any real journalists. There's good reasons. Some of the known actors involved have done this before (threat lawsuit for money over scandalous or dubious claims).


Edit: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theg...its-norm-lubow

Did you hear the girl's story? Seems pretty detailed and aligned with what got Epstein sent to Club Fed. I can see questioning the people supporting her coming forward, but the story has been floating around for a few years now. This has been rumored long before Trump was a presidential candidate. I wish stuff like this could be handled like family court and conducted privately to protect the accuser and the accused. This is a story that needs to be completely vetted. Rape of a 13 year old girl should never be summarily dismissed because of who is representing them. Like I said, handle it privately and then only release details after the adjudication.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by New Era

Did you hear the girl's story? Seems pretty detailed and aligned with what got Epstein sent to Club Fed. I can see questioning the people supporting her coming forward, but the story has been floating around for a few years now. This has been rumored long before Trump was a presidential candidate. I wish stuff like this could be handled like family court and conducted privately to protect the accuser and the accused. This is a story that needs to be completely vetted. Rape of a 13 year old girl should never be summarily dismissed because of who is representing them. Like I said, handle it privately and then only release details after the adjudication.

I don't disagree with you at all. But the way this was filed, presented to the press, etc. is dubious. I'm not saying the alleged story is true or not, but I'm saying the charges were not filed because anyone wanted justice

[photon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

When I see that, I think Trump will win. It says people don't care as much about Trump's problems but they care about Hillary's emails.

But why do they care that much? They care that much because the extensive media coverage tells them they should care that much. If it wasn't a big deal then it wouldn't be on the front page for so long would it (is what people would naturally assume)?

I mean Fox news (Fox!!) apologized for reporting about impending indictments when it was baloney, but that didn't result in every word on the front page of national newspapers being about the apology.

And newspapers have been the responsible ones in this campaign by far.

Polls show that the majority of people do not actually understand the email issue and have drawn the incorrect conclusions about it. Since they get their information about it from the media, the media haven't done an adequate job of presenting facts in context.

I heard on one podcast put it this way.. the media strives to communicate the truth, and strives to be balanced. Trump feels the media is rigged because of their attempt to present the truth which highlights his compulsive lying. But the real problem is the media seems to place balance even ahead of truth, which results in false equivalencies.

When people could see them both, either in the debates or the conventions (could easily compare/contrast the speeches and everyone was watching) Clinton jumped ahead. Then as things went on and the media presents a 'balanced' view Trump gets normalized and things tighten.

[photon]

With regards to dropping the suit, I think it's important to remember that there's at least a reasonable possibility that there's a person who was damaged as a young girl at the core of it, so I try to take that into account when thinking about their actions.

We can't know motivations, circumstances, etc. It's easy to think the timing is dubious or that her motivations are questionable, but that's judging things from the outside and by criteria that almost certainly do not match hers.

The people and circumstances of the history of the case look bizarre, but it's easy to slip into victim blaming and use that to question the veracity when it could also be people around her taking advantage for their own goals, or even just making a long string of bad decisions because thinking straight about such a horrible thing (if true) would be nearly impossible.

I mean even if she completely did try to do it for revenge, could you blame her? Again if it was true what happened, and knowing she'd probably never win a lawsuit (and being in fear of a powerful person), this would be an opportunity to try and hurt the person that hurt you back.

And I also wouldn't blame her if she decided that the revenge/justice/whatever she was after wasn't worth it after seeing the response that our society gave, if that pain or fear or whatever is worse than the one she was already living with, better to just leave it behind. Or maybe it's dropped because she felt that getting it into the mainstream media was all the revenge she was going to get. Or maybe it's all fake and she dropped it because she got it into the news like she wanted. Almost impossible to know.

I don't think it's reasonable to draw any conclusions about her from dropping the suit, and I don't think any need to be.

[photon]

EDIT: Another interesting observation I've heard is that people who have been close to the presidency, those who have a better idea of the day to day of what it's like to be president, almost all say Trump is completely inadequate. Of the five living former presidents not one supports him. A presidential candidate not having support from former presidents of their party has never happened before. Almost all former staff from previous Republican administrations, people who worked with the president every day, do not support Trump. Even Ari Fleischer who was one of the few from the Bush administration to support Trump now says he'll leave the ballot blank.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by photon

But why do they care that much? They care that much because the extensive media coverage tells them they should care that much. If it wasn't a big deal then it wouldn't be on the front page for so long would it (is what people would naturally assume)?

This is how the media works. The thing with the Clinton email story is that it continues to trickle out as a teaser instead of just a full blown and completely solved scandal. Comey, Podesta emails, DNC leaks, rogue FBI agents. New information seems to come down every minute of every day and that is why this continues to be in the news over and over again.

I mean Fox news (Fox!!) apologized for reporting about impending indictments when it was baloney, but that didn't result in every word on the front page of national newspapers being about the apology.

And newspapers have been the responsible ones in this campaign by far.

Polls show that the majority of people do not actually understand the email issue and have drawn the incorrect conclusions about it. Since they get their information about it from the media, the media haven't done an adequate job of presenting facts in context.

I heard on one podcast put it this way.. the media strives to communicate the truth, and strives to be balanced. Trump feels the media is rigged because of their attempt to present the truth which highlights his compulsive lying. But the real problem is the media seems to place balance even ahead of truth, which results in false equivalencies.

When people could see them both, either in the debates or the conventions (could easily compare/contrast the speeches and everyone was watching) Clinton jumped ahead. Then as things went on and the media presents a 'balanced' view Trump gets normalized and things tighten.

Two things here - the media isn't some autonomous single voice, it is many voices and it seems like many organizations have picked sides. In the Podesta emails in particular, it confirms what many have suspected all along. Collusion between political candidates and media. Feeding eachother information, stories, narratives and talking points. Sadly this perception has affected liberal media much more than conservative media during this election cycle because of where the leaks have originated from. I'm sure we would probably see the RNC feeding talking points to guys like Rush, but the reality is, we have only seen one side.

I think to simply play it off as "making sausage", as posters like New Era continue to do is doing more harm than good. That is why sites like Breitbart are probably having record numbers of hits, because people feel that in order to get a less biased story or to see both sides, they need to turn to those sites instead of just going to CNN. Which of course is doing a whole lot of harm as well, because those sites have their own agendas and perhaps even more sinister motives.

The major media networks, which seemed to have portrayed Clinton in a much more positive light than she deserves this election cycle with little acknowledgement or downplaying of her indiscretions combined with many of the leaks have caused this fundamental distrust. That is why people continue to turn elsewhere and where part of this false equivalency narrative continues to come up.

[Drak]

Has the MSM spoken about Melania's undocumented work in the USA yet? I haven't had the TV on a news station since last week.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Drak

Has the MSM spoken about Melania's undocumented work in the USA yet? I haven't had the TV on a news station since last week.

Is Melania running for president?