we've probably seen several thousand zombie kills so far, that i don't even care how they do it, and when they get too creative, i simply turn away anyways. How they killed the zombies is meaningless, and progresses nothing regarding the plot.
So if they want to get creative in how they show zombies dying fine, adds little to nothing for me. there were a ton of holes that i perceived in that whole scene on how they escaped what seemed like too many zombies to survive. when i think of the story as a book report, that all just reads in my mind as "and then they managed to somehow escape with this new stranger...". At the end of the day, that seems plausible and the plot continues on.
That's sort of my view on that hobbit clip too, though i think that's a much more guilty of what you're complaining about. it was absolutely ridiculous no doubt, but again, the "realism" of that scene (or others like it) weren't the primary reason the hobbit movies sucked (in my opinion obviously)
Yeah, I get that everyone has a different point where their suspension of disbelief is broken, but a guy killing zombies with a chain is hardly different than so many of the deaths you've seen already. Seems like a really weird place for your limit to be. But whatever.
Yeah there are tons of other things to be picky about in this show. Don't let this one be your Alamo, Corsi!
And FWIW, the barrel scene in the Hobbit didn't bother me much either. Just some light-hearted fantasy fun lol.
Do you guys seriously not get that there is a level of suspension of disbelief that any show cannot exceed? It's not like, "oh here's something that couldn't happen, therefore anything else in the show that they do is fair game and you can't complain about it being absurd".
Let's say that instead of Morgan breaking Darryl and Aaron out of the car, the horde of zombies was suddenly immolated by Danerys Targaryen riding a dragon. Is your reaction, "well, there are zombies and that's pretty silly, so dragons are also fine".
Everyone has a tolerance for this stuff where if you go beyond it, it throws you right out of the fantasy world that the show has created. The boundaries of reality that it sets that you agree to use as the new normal for the purposes of enjoying the show. It's not a license to do ANYTHING while being able to count on the credulity of the audience. There are limits, and they're different for different viewers.
Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. No one thinks there are elves, orcs, balrogs, wizards and dragons, but we take those things as read to enjoy Tolkein's world. But then you see a scene like this:
And your reaction is, or at least mine is, "Yeah guys. I'm sure that barrel just bounces perfectly like that. What the f*** ever."
Mate, just relax and enjoy it, or if you don't enjoy it then don't watch.
Honestly, you might be over thinking the show.
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Would it have been more realistic if there had been just one zombie killed with the chain?
The other thing to consider is a number of people in this thread have said they story part is boring, we need more zombie kills. So this gave those people their Zombieland "kill of the week", while still being part of the story. (no matter how many they killed, there were just too many to deal with.)
Meh, the idea that a car window would protect you is equally bs. The zombies are in a weakened state, but angrily smashing your arms into an old car window would cause it to crack and then shatter pretty quickly.
Honestly whenever I see zombies, I know something unrealistic will happen. Like I said before, the zombies are just a plot device.
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Would it have been more realistic if there had been just one zombie killed with the chain?
The other thing to consider is a number of people in this thread have said they story part is boring, we need more zombie kills. So this gave those people their Zombieland "kill of the week", while still being part of the story. (no matter how many they killed, there were just too many to deal with.)
I don't think that anyone has ever said the story part is boring, more that the usual way they develop the characters is boring and not top notch the way other pay channel dramas are. The writing often lacks. I guess in situations like the farm the story did drag.
There have been several tense situations and story parts sans action that have been commented on as quite good by the people I think your commenting on.
There's a way to make drama interestingveven when it's slow. TWD falls short as often as it gets it right. That's the frustrating part, and that's all people mean.
For the record, season five has been pretty good. Season one was also very good.
Just finished catching up with the show. Hadn't watched it since just after hospital and I pretty much PVR blitzed it.
What a turn around.
Season 5 was a mixture of awful and awesome. Great start, tedious middle and an excellent last few episodes. Never have I watched a season of any show that was so inconsistent but now I find myself pining for season 6. The whole Alexandria storyline was very well done.
Hope this doesn't get me in trouble but one final comment. The last few episodes have been very comic inspired (much of it was ripped straight from the pages) whereas the middle of the season was original material. One can't help but wonder if the writers would be better off keeping that trend going as whenever they have veered off that path the show gets weak IMO. This new spinoff has me interested but I can't help but wonder if it will be weak with none of Kirkman's original material to draw on.
Loved how Morgan stumbled upon Rick shooting Pete at the end as the episode faded to black. Brilliant on so many levels. Turns out they had a plan all along. Color me impressed.
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Do you guys seriously not get that there is a level of suspension of disbelief that any show cannot exceed? It's not like, "oh here's something that couldn't happen, therefore anything else in the show that they do is fair game and you can't complain about it being absurd".
Let's say that instead of Morgan breaking Darryl and Aaron out of the car, the horde of zombies was suddenly immolated by Danerys Targaryen riding a dragon. Is your reaction, "well, there are zombies and that's pretty silly, so dragons are also fine".
Everyone has a tolerance for this stuff where if you go beyond it, it throws you right out of the fantasy world that the show has created. The boundaries of reality that it sets that you agree to use as the new normal for the purposes of enjoying the show. It's not a license to do ANYTHING while being able to count on the credulity of the audience. There are limits, and they're different for different viewers.
Here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. No one thinks there are elves, orcs, balrogs, wizards and dragons, but we take those things as read to enjoy Tolkein's world. But then you see a scene like this:
And your reaction is, or at least mine is, "Yeah guys. I'm sure that barrel just bounces perfectly like that. What the f*** ever."
A little off topic, but I'm a huge LOTR fan and I'm thoroughly disgusted with The Hobbit movie. As a 'purist' Tolkien fan, I realize there were certain limitations when making a movie about LOTR, and so I forgave a lot of stuff Jackson did, and all in all LOTR was a great movie, especially extended edition. But what he did in the Hobbit was just an abomination. Specifically, inventing the love triangle, the barrel scene ( ), over exaggerating Legolas' role, the fact that Fili died for his elf girlfriend instead of defending the King, ending the movie rather abruptly, etc etc.
Anyhow, onto The Walking Dead. Great show
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Guys, listen, we aren't debating realism or believability, but one key word that is important in any sci-fi/fantasy story.
Consistency.
With this genre you are free to create a new universe with any possible reality you can invent, but you need to have laws that govern that universe to maintain consistency. Without those laws, the reader/viewer cannot every feel comfortable enough to lose themselves in the story. What you are left with is chaos, and the reader/viewer is being constantly distracted by the inconsistencies in the laws of the universe.
That's where TWD can be better, but they're not that bad at it for the most part.
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Although we won't know for sure 100% until the next episode, I'd almost bet my bottom dollar it was Pete. For exactly the reasons stated in the article. On top of that, they way Morgan said Rick's name was more of a question like "Rick? What did you do?" with the look of disbelief on his face. He clearly watched him wack a living person.
The ONLY thing that gives me pause is that just like shooting Reg, shooting Pete was risky too as Abraham had him pinned down.
But Abraham is pretty bad a** and probably wouldn't think anything of it.
Goodness, do people need to be spoon fed everything? Of course he shot Pete.
It's like end of season 3 when the Governor's girlfriend shot him in the head, obviously, from a similar perspective where we didn't see it though. All summer everyone was saying "What if she just shot beside his head?".
Ugh. Then they had to open season 4 with a close up of him being very dead.
The last three episodes of the season were leading up to that moment, and Deanna's reaction is meaningless if she's saying "Rick, shoot my husband so he doesn't turn into a zombie later". It was what they were talking about in the previous episode. It was her succumbing to Rick's ways and admitting he was right, accepting what he said. And showing that everyone has a breaking point to become just like Rick.
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not a chance. Rick's been itching to kill that guy pretty much since the first second he laid his eyes on that "porch dicks" wife!
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Just finished watching all 5 seasons over the last few months. It's a great escape after a long day when not feeling like thinking too hard. Cool, mindless entertainment! Can't wait for next season.
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), over exaggerating Legolas' role, the fact that Fili died for his elf girlfriend instead of defending the King, ending the movie rather abruptly, etc etc. 
