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Old 02-22-2024, 07:57 PM   #5381
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Old 02-22-2024, 08:00 PM   #5382
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Just highlighting the atrocities.
Too bad it triggers you.
I am so triggered you are right, continue on with your reporting. The world needs you Bagor! What would happen if you didn’t post about Israel for one day!
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Expecting either some executions, reports of MSF being Hamas or underground bunkers being found under MSF offices in the upcoming days.

That MSF address in itself will be submitted as evidence to the ICJ. No doubt there will be repercussions for speaking up and they know it.

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This is all too familiar—Israeli forces have attacked our convoys, detained our staff, and bulldozed our vehicles, and hospitals have been bombed and raided. Now, for a second time, one of our staff shelters has been hit. This pattern of attacks is either intentional or indicative of reckless incompetence.

Our colleagues in Gaza are fearful that, as I speak to you today, they will be punished tomorrow.
https://www.msf.org/msf-briefing-gaz...curity-council
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Old 02-22-2024, 08:36 PM   #5384
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What are your thoughts on the MSF adress to the UN?

That antisemitic too?
Honestly, just ignore him when he does this. The repeated back and forth between you two is pointless. He’s troll and you’ve never going to “one up” him, you just end up having to resort to the same bottom feeding tactics he uses.

He’s not going to acknowledge the MSF, just like he’s not going to acknowledge the US intelligence report that makes him look stupid.

Appreciate you sharing the info you share, but just wanted to pass along the advice. He’s not worth your time.
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Genuinely curious as to why the Arab world would need to get really involved post war to establish a Palestinian State? Are we talking about politics, financing, governance, assistance? We can all agree that Hamas can't continue to be in charge but if we do go down the path of a 2 State solution, outside of what I describe above, what does the Arab world need to do? I am curious as this conflict isn't one that I am that in tune with to the same degree as some. I mean it's not like the people who live in the West Bank and Gaza are incapable of governing themselves in a proper manner, they just haven't been given the same opportunity by having the proper leadership at the proper time.

They did want 100% of their land back but that wasn't going to fly. I think once the dust settles the international community is going to really have to put all their cards on the table and settle this conflict. The Palestinian's will need to know where they stand and what their future actually looks like. Israel will need to have the same thing. If a 2 State solution is going to get in essence imposed on them, they need to know and prep on their end.

As much as we think this is complicated, it's going to be a lot more complicated for everybody going forward and it's going to hurt. Nobody is going to get 100% of what they want but the world needs to figure this out. It's been going on for an entire life of everybody. Put an end to the BS and the expensive wars in terms of dollars and blood.
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Genuinely curious as to why the Arab world would need to get really involved post war to establish a Palestinian State? Are we talking about politics, financing, governance, assistance? We can all agree that Hamas can't continue to be in charge but if we do go down the path of a 2 State solution, outside of what I describe above, what does the Arab world need to do? I am curious as this conflict isn't one that I am that in tune with to the same degree as some. I mean it's not like the people who live in the West Bank and Gaza are incapable of governing themselves in a proper manner, they just haven't been given the same opportunity by having the proper leadership at the proper time.

They did want 100% of their land back but that wasn't going to fly. I think once the dust settles the international community is going to really have to put all their cards on the table and settle this conflict. The Palestinian's will need to know where they stand and what their future actually looks like. Israel will need to have the same thing. If a 2 State solution is going to get in essence imposed on them, they need to know and prep on their end.

As much as we think this is complicated, it's going to be a lot more complicated for everybody going forward and it's going to hurt. Nobody is going to get 100% of what they want but the world needs to figure this out. It's been going on for an entire life of everybody. Put an end to the BS and the expensive wars in terms of dollars and blood.
Governance and security.

Hamas needs to go, a new government needs to be setup, but the new government will have no clue how to actually govern.

All the countries in that part of the world need to work together to make it happen.

But there is a reason Egypt has a massively fortified border with Gaza.

Once Bagor and company figure out why that is, they'll understand why Israel really has no more interest in any 'two state solution' where things go back to the way they were before.

Come on Bagor, its pretty obvious. Should be pretty simple to figure out.
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Because Israel wants to displace the Palestinians into Sinai?

But anyways why am I even engaged with you can't read my posts? Except you can!

So. Where's the "overwhelming" UNRWA evidence? Why have you stopped talking about it?

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Look at how the usual suspects responded to the UNRWA allegations.

Ignore, spin, move on and fast as possible and hope everyone forgets.
Don't move on Azure. Don't spin. We haven't forgot. Where's the overwhelming evidence?
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Because Israel wants to displace the Palestinians into Sinai?

But anyways why am I even engaged with you can't read my posts? Except you can!

So. Where's the "overwhelming" UNRWA evidence? Why have you stopped talking about it?



Don't move on Azure. Don't spin. We haven't forgot. Where's the overwhelming evidence?
Ah well, guess Azure got busy.

Funny how everyone pushing their finger in people’s faces about the UNRWA issue don’t think it’s worth talking about anymore. Maybe they just conveniently stopped reading about the conflict directly after that and everything from Rafah to the US intelligence report hasn’t hit their desk yet. I’m sure they’ll catch up.
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A good high level read as to why Israel is on the wrong course. From Vox: https://www.vox.com/24055522/israel-...ategy-morality
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Egypt is building a walled camp for 150k people in preparation for an influx of Palestinian refugees over the boarder when Israel attacks Rafah.

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While Egypt continues to push for a temporary cease-fire between Hamas and Israel, it is also preparing for the possibility of an Israeli push into Rafah and the possible influx of Palestinians. Recent satellite photos showed bulldozers and earth movers have cleared substantial tracts of land near the border.

Egyptian officials, speaking on condition of anonymity in order to discuss security arrangements, tell NPR that a cement-walled security perimeter is being built near the border to hold up to 150,000 people in the event of a breach of Egypt's border during an Israeli assault on Rafah.

Egypt has made limited exceptions to people trying to flee Gaza throughout the war. Some war-wounded, with approval from Israel, have been allowed to cross into Egypt for treatment abroad. Palestinians with second passports and those with connections to Western entities have also been allowed to leave Gaza, as have those who've been able to raise thousands of dollars for special visas.
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A good high level read as to why Israel is on the wrong course. From Vox: https://www.vox.com/24055522/israel-...ategy-morality
That's a great well written article. Thanks for sharing.
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Egypt is building a walled camp for 150k people in preparation for an influx of Palestinian refugees over the boarder when Israel attacks Rafah.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/26/12328...s-egypt-border
Egypt has been fortifying its border with Gaza since the war started and has made zero effort of any kind of action other than following along behind with Israel is doing.

I wonder why?
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https://youtu.be/vhHFQpv3J2A?si=hHiAOycExTraQiwW
US Air force soldier sets himself on fire in front Israeli embassy (warning graphic)
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Jon Stewart, a voice of sanity.

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Old 02-28-2024, 03:27 PM   #5395
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There is no way to give the people of Palestine a chance at prosperity and peace without getting the Arab countries involved, so again, answer the question as to why all them want literally nothing to do with Palestine, and you'll see why this issue is not going away.

Fuzz is right.

But I don't the rest of the 'gang' on here gets it.
Probably because being "Arab" isn't a collective identity in of itself, just like being "indigenous" in Canada isn't?
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Not sure what your point is other than to try and sound smart.

Jon Stewart does a great job of explaining it in the video that was posted. When the richest country in the Middle East gives a golfer as much money as they give the people of Gaza, you know something is really wrong.

That also means they are applying about the same serious pressure on Israel on this current conflict. So basically nothing.
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Not sure what your point is other than to try and sound smart.

Jon Stewart does a great job of explaining it in the video that was posted. When the richest country in the Middle East gives a golfer as much money as they give the people of Gaza, you know something is really wrong.

That also means they are applying about the same serious pressure on Israel on this current conflict. So basically nothing.
I understand what Jon Stewart is saying, but arguing that the plight of Palestinians is the obligation of other Arab nations because they are also Arab is incredibly over-simplistic.
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It is the obligation of the Arab nations because they are the nations in the region. As in next door. Literally.

Where did I ever say it is their obligation because they are 'Arab?'
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It is the obligation of the Arab nations because they are the nations in the region. As in next door. Literally.

Where did I ever say it is their obligation because they are 'Arab?'
Okay fair enough.

Second question; how does facilitating Israel's displacement of Palestinians support the objective of a free and liberated Palestine?
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Stewart made some great points, but his solution is doomed to fail. Those countries don't actually care, and probably prefer to have a Palestine that is run by Hamas striking out at Israel occasionally, and causing Israel to look really really bad. To me it seems like they would be pretty happy with the status quo.
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