Phaneuf,Sjostrom,Aulie traded to leafs for Hagman,Stajan,Mayers,White

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Originally Posted by chanimal40

Another thing I don't understand is why wouldn't Sutter get rid of Sarich when he had the chance. No one will take Sarich at the trade deadline.

I think Sutter's hoping Sarich retires at the end of the year.

[Homer_J]

The real winner in this deal?...

Red Bull. Their spokesman just got dealt to the centre of the universe and their logo will be pasted all over TSN for the next decade.

Seriously, I was shocked to see this deal. You never want to see a core player traded, but clearly Sutter had a reason to make this trade. He knows this team better than any of us and there must have been a reason for this trade. He obviously shopped Dion around and we have to believe that this was the best deal available.

Hagman, Stajan and White will all contribute to the Flames offensively. Goal scoring is the team's problem area, and this deal definitely addresses that. Burke most likely demanded that Mayers be included the deal. He had asked to be moved and Burke didn't have any takers. He's a UFA at season's end and I don't think he'll have a huge impact on this team (prove me wrong Jamal).

The emergence of Giordano and the signing of Bouwmeester make Dion expendable and bringing White into the mix doesn't hurt our d-core. The Flames still have a very strong top 6 and we've added a lot of offense to our team. I'm looking forward to watching this team over the next couple of weeks leading up to the break.

[killer_carlson]

Hell, Ottawa did better than this for Heatley who had them over a barrel and publically demanded a trade.

AND WE THREW IN AULIE!

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

well, the deal is done.

I would have prefered a guy like Kadri or Stralman (leaf prospects) to be part of the deal, thats for sure...Kadri would have been a tough sell, but maybe we could have gotten Stralman.

People are analyzing this purely based on skill and talent, which is fair, but there is probably a chemistry thing going on here too - its not like there hasn't been tons of rumours with regard to friction in the locker room.

Phaneuf and his potential is the wild card here...the kid has all the tools, but never the toolbox. Maybe the light comes on for him in TO, in which case, we lose the trade...and maybe Dion tops out like a guy like Derrick Morris did?

who knows. The trade is done and all we can do is wait and see how these guys fit in.

Post of the year candidate

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by chanimal40

Another thing I don't understand is why wouldn't Sutter get rid of Sarich when he had the chance. No one will take Sarich at the trade deadline.

I disgaree. teams have traded for HALL GILL in the past and gotten a 2nd rounder for him. HALL FRIKING GILL makes Sarich look like an all-star.

[ricosuave]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

well, the deal is done.

I would have prefered a guy like Kadri or Stralman (leaf prospects) to be part of the deal, thats for sure...Kadri would have been a tough sell, but maybe we could have gotten Stralman.

People are analyzing this purely based on skill and talent, which is fair, but there is probably a chemistry thing going on here too - its not like there hasn't been tons of rumours with regard to friction in the locker room.

Phaneuf and his potential is the wild card here...the kid has all the tools, but never the toolbox. Maybe the light comes on for him in TO, in which case, we lose the trade...and maybe Dion tops out like a guy like Derrick Morris did?

who knows. The trade is done and all we can do is wait and see how these guys fit in.

We had Stralman. And traded him to Columbus, remember?

[Gundo]

I like the trade, plain and simple.

*puts on his flame suite*

[SuperMatt18]

At first I had that just got kicked in the balls so hard that your stomach hurts feeling when I heard about this trade, and really it hasn't went away.

The Flames are a deeper team then they were yesterday, but we will miss the game breaking talent that Dion brought to this team.

That being said it has been two seasons now that we have been trying to make him more defensively responsible and it just hasn't happened. Maybe what hurts the most about this trade is that in the last five games it is probably the best he has looked in the last two seasons.

I still think that Sutter should have been able to get a lot more for Dion and that he should have waited till the offseason to make such a major move.

However even though Dion said he did not ask for a trade, to me something more has to be going on for 1)Sutter to even consider trading Dion, 2) Sutter making such a rash trade when he could have waited and had two weeks during the Olympic break to work out a deal.

I was always against all the Dion being a so called cancer rumors but to me there is something more to this deal and hopefully we find out what the hell Sutter was thinking when he made the deal.

All that said Go Flames Go, and we will miss you Dion please don't make this trade look too horrible in the long run.

[RyZ]

I'm not nearly as down on this trade as some even though I have always been a big Phaneuf fan.

People are seriously under rating some of the players we are getting back. White is better than people think. I think of him as a less physical Giordano type Dman. he played 23+ mins/g in Toronto and comes to us at +1 with 26 pts. IMO he is definately a step down from Dion in all areas but he isn't garbage and easily plays in the top 6 if not top 4 here. Hagman would be 2nd in Flames goal scoring with 20 (Iggy 24, Bourque 18) and Stajan is a top 6 center on pace for 25g and 60p.

It remains to be seen what Sutter does with the contract situation/cap in the off season, but this move substantially boosts our offence and certainly doesn't put us in the tank defensively. Barring their performance till the end of the season, if Sutter can get these guys back at a small increase, I'd have to think it makes the team better.

Giordano has to keep playing at the same level.

[Infamous1]

I think that guy meant Viktor Stalberg and not Stralman.

[FlamesAddiction]

It's Leeman for Gilmour all over again. Terrible trade for the Flames, unless there is a top pick or prospect coming back that we don't know about.

Hagman is the key for us. I love the way he plays, but he is 30 years. What you see is what you get with him (2nd liner - not much room for improvement).

I like Stajan and Mayers, but they are both UFAs after this season.... and neither are real game breakers. Stajan is basically another Lombardi... and Mayers another Nystrom (just older). They will probably be rentals... so by the end of the season, this trade will look like; Phaneuf, Aulie, Sjostrom for White and Hagman.

White is an ok 2nd pairing guy, but he isn't awesome. Definitely no higher than 4 on our depth chart.... and Aulie is a decent tier 2 prospect. Probably could have gotten a good rental for him (better than Stajan or Mayers).

Without question, the Leafs got the best player in the deal, and one with a lot of room for growth still.

It's laughable reading the comments on TSN where so many Leaf fans think they lost the deal.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's Leeman for Gilmour all over again. Terrible trade for the Flames, unless there is a top pick or prospect coming back that we don't know about.

Hagman is the key for us. I love the way he plays, but he is 30 years. What you see is what you get with him (2nd liner - not much room for improvement).

I like Stajan and Mayers, but they are both UFAs after this season.... and neither are real game breakers. Stajan is basically another Lombardi... and Mayers another Nystrom (just older).

White is an ok 2nd pairing guy, but he isn't awesome. Definitely no higher than 4 on our depth chart.

Without question, the Leafs got the best player in the deal, and one with a lot of room for growth still.

It's laughable reading the comments on TSN where so many Leaf fans think they lost the deal.

Calgary is a better team than yesterday, with better team guys...this trade needs to be digested.

Comparing it to the leeman trade is just wrong at this point

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On another note, what l like best about this thread, is that it is always the usual suspect...always

[Mike F]

Phaneuf's progression seems to have stalled, and he's got some glaring hockey sense issues, but looking at the return this is how I'm feeling this morning:



Stajan better turn into the Flames Burrows in the sense that he's finally the fit on the top line the Calgary's been looking for (and only in that sense).

[Wookie]

Originally Posted by Walter Reed

It never fails to surprise me how quickly a players talents diminish in fans eyes once he is traded from their team.

I hope you're talking about the fan base as a whole? I've never talked about how awesome or how terrible Phaneuf is.

I'm thinking salary, potential to sign free agent players, money tied up in a few players, and goals from our forwards this deal isn't all that bad.

Lots of variables that I'm thinking about rather than Phanuef is gone, he sucks now.

[schteve_d]

I think we need a poll in favour/against this trade. Only time will tell how this works out for the Flames and it would be interesting to look back and see on which side of the fence posters here were when this pivotal moment happened.

[megatron]

I still can't believe that Sutter traded Dion.

I don't think the return was fair and that at minimum, a 1st round pick should have been coming back, however, who knows what offers Sutter was getting.

I agree that it helps the Flames short term with the increased scoring threats as scoring has been this teams major struggle. With the emergence of Giordano (looking like the best dman this year) with Bouwmeester, made Dion expendable (especially since he was the only core player without a NMC).

I have a feeling that somehow Dion will get his head on straight and become more like Pronger and less like McCabe in years to come and it will go down as a pretty bad trade for the Flames IMO.

[DrJ]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

well, the deal is done.

I would have prefered a guy like Kadri or Stralman (leaf prospects) to be part of the deal, thats for sure...Kadri would have been a tough sell, but maybe we could have gotten Stralman.

Dude, we had Stralman...

[Heavy Jack]

Well the big elephant that was in the room was finally asked to leave. No one should be surprised by this, we all saw coming, we knew right away when Sutter said he wasn't trading him. Now lets actually break down this trade, because I don't think it is as bad as some say, heck on the calgaryflames.com message board they are comparing it to the leeman gilmour trade

To Flames
Ian White - Highly underrated, young, promising D-man. G 9 A 17 P 26 SH 130. Has been pretty consistent over the years and already has 4 years of NHL experience. Only has 8 less points than Phaneuf this year. We are so deep at D that really Phaneuf leaving isn't as huge of an impact as one might think. It is a loss though for sure.

Matt Stajan - Young, some what inconsistent forward. G 16 A 25 P 41 SH 114 Many thought he would be a 20 goal scorer at least by now, and though he probably will be there this year, it has taken quite along time for Stajan to become the offensive player many thought he would become in T.O. He is a set-up man though and could be that center Iginla has been looking for.

Nik Hagman - Mid-aged, highly skilled, but somewhat unmotivated forward. G 20 A 13 P 33 SH 148. Hagman is a strange player. He reminds of a Kovalev, but only the unmotivated, lazy Kovalev all the time. He never really broke out in the NHL as an offensive dynamo, accept when he got 27 goals in Dallas. I could see him becoming Huselius version 2 playing with the likes of an Iginla or Bourque, or even his fellow country man Jokinen.

Jamal Mayers - Older, one-dimensional, forward. G 2 A 6 P 8 SH 47. Simply a tact on player, could easily be seen as a straight across trade for Sjostrom. Definitely not an impact player what so ever.

To Leafs:
Dion Phaneuf - Young, multi-skilled, but somewhat inconsistent franchise D-man. G 10 A 12 P 32 A 138. Phaneuf is an amazing player. He can hit with some of the best in the league, has a lethal shot, and possesses the potential to become an all-round d-man. But he just has not been great the last 2 years, which is unfortunate because I really enjoyed what Phaneuf showed he could bring on most nights. I am happy he got a goal in his final game as a Flame and I truly believe he will wreck the east.

Fredrick Sjostrom - Youngish, one-dimensional forward. G 1 A 5 P 6 SH 33. See Jamal Mayers write up. Also, it's kinda fitting that his one goal as a Flame is probably one of the nicest of the year for the Flames

Kieth Aulie - Young, promising Propect D-man. G 7 A 27 P 33 with the Brandon Wheat Kings this year. The 6 foot 6 D-man seems to be doing well in the minors and has experienced time with the World Juniours in his young hockey career. Look for him to be an eventual starter in the NHL in the coming years.

I think it is a pretty even trade. It helps Calgary now, and it helps T.O. for the future. Time will tell if this trade pays off though as a guy like Phaneuf most likely has his best years ahead of him at 24 years of age.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Hell, Ottawa did better than this for Heatley who had them over a barrel and publically demanded a trade.

AND WE THREW IN AULIE!

"White isn't even a top 6 defenceman"

Your opinion is rendered null/void.

[Bertuzzied]

Is everyone done crying yet? We win at least one playoff round this year, but it sure looks like 1986 and 1989 again.