Why is it ######ed? Because people question what Apple is doing? Some people expected more out of the announcement...some people expected more out of the IPad. If you're perfectly happy with it, then that's great.
I've never been a big fan of Apple because of being limited to the Apple way of doing things. I watched the IPad announcement at work and got super excited about it. Then I started to read the reviews and the posts here and I lost intrest. For me an ITouch with a bigger memory will do the exact same things as an IPad will do for half the price..minus the 3G.
It's going to have it's uses and I know they'll sell...but it doesn't appeal to everyone...and just because you're a huge Apple guy, doesn't mean this thread is ######ed because people don't agree with you.
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Well this thread sure got ######ed. If you guys don't get something, then just don't get it. It's a pretty simple concept.
No, a lot of it has to do with you coming off as a really arrogant most of the time, you make a lot of us mac users look bad, I don't know if you do it on purpose or not.
I have friends who work at Apple who weren't too happy with the launch for a lot of the same reasons that people have brought up here as well, I don't think it's out of place for people to write their grievances here.
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Why is it ######ed? Because people question what Apple is doing? Some people expected more out of the announcement...some people expected more out of the IPad. If you're perfectly happy with it, then that's great.
I've never been a big fan of Apple because of being limited to the Apple way of doing things. I watched the IPad announcement at work and got super excited about it. Then I started to read the reviews and the posts here and I lost intrest. For me an ITouch with a bigger memory will do the exact same things as an IPad will do for half the price..minus the 3G.
It's going to have it's uses and I know they'll sell...but it doesn't appeal to everyone...and just because you're a huge Apple guy, doesn't mean this thread is ######ed because people don't agree with you.
I went from not wanting it, to really not wanting it, to not being happy about it running iPhone OS, to not liking the lack of a front-facing camera, to not liking the lack of multi-tasking, to seeing some of the possibilities of the device regardless, to seeing more of the possibilities, to now wanting one.
Saying you don't want the iPad because you already have an iPod Touch and don't care about the bigger screen is a valid comment. Saying you don't want it because it isn't a laptop and anyone who does is just a fanboy, is not.
No, a lot of it has to do with you coming off as a really arrogant most of the time, you make a lot of us mac users look bad, I don't know if you do it on purpose or not.
I have friends who work at Apple who weren't too happy with the launch for a lot of the same reasons that people have brought up here as well, I don't think it's out of place for people to write their grievances here.
How, other that now that I'm pissed off, have I been arrogant in this thread?
Edit: Never mind. I see where some of my comments can look prickish. I have a pretty sarcastic sense of humour, and I really don't translate well into text. Like that bit about that dude's box having carbon monoxide leaks... I thought that was pretty funny, but it probably doesn't look that way in text form...
Anyway. Whatever. It's not like a lot of people here haven't been complete dicks to me at some point too. Welcome to the interwebz I guess.
I'm an Apple fanboy and, while it looks cool as hell, there are just a few things missing that would have made it perfect and are keeping me from wanting it. No multitasking is the biggest. If it comes in an update before release that's great but to announce it without that capability is a big misstep by Apple. Especially since you are able to use iWork. Going between documents and the internet is essential to most people's work flow. I understand it's not intended to be a laptop or netbook but the most frustrating thing with the iPhone is the lack of multitasking. They've heard that frustration from their users and I'm really surprised it wasn't incorporated.
A front facing camera and built in USB (at least one port) are also key. The camera would have been a huge differentiator from Apple's other products and other products on the market. The USB port helps to expand its functionality and ease of use. Forcing you to buy an adapter for this just reeks of a cash grab.
I see Apple selling a lot of these but I also see a lot of these collecting dust in people's homes. Between your iPhone and you MacBook I don't see a lot of time in the day when you could use this.
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The front-facing camera thing, for me, is really key. While I'm sure they are going to add one to a future revision, not having it now is a downer for sure. Especially now that the VOiP over 3G restriction has been lifted. Video-conferencing on this would have really been something.
Multi-tasking is something I keep going back and forth on. I really wish they could figure out a way to implement it without all the pitfalls of background apps. I'm envisioning one of these things running Windows, and while it would be nice to do a bunch of things at once, I'm picturing a system tray with 20 things running in it... that thought alone makes me ok with not having it. Having said that, though, I still think it's coming. It's probably going to be the iPad's "Cut and Paste."
No, a lot of it has to do with you coming off as a really arrogant most of the time, you make a lot of us mac users look bad, I don't know if you do it on purpose or not.
I have friends who work at Apple who weren't too happy with the launch for a lot of the same reasons that people have brought up here as well, I don't think it's out of place for people to write their grievances here.
Grievances, pros and cons are all fine, but when you get stuff like this:
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The rest of us look at them and see a company that makes quality high end hardware with "simplified" (dumbed down?) software and limitations.
It really is insulting to those of us that do use Apple products. I got into Mac in 1998 when I was looking to get into multimedia and video editing. There was nothing on the market that came close to Final Cut Pro on the PC that would cost less than a condo. Premiere had half the functionality of FCP. I don't find FCP "dumbed down" and the limitations were with Premiere.
And I don't understand how making software easier to use is wrong. I'm a systems designer and my *GOAL* is to make my software as easy to use as possible. So once I was done making my videos in FCP, I cut them to DVD using iDVD. It was definitely easy to use. I don't know why I would want to use something difficult to burn the DVDs. Maybe I'm just "dumb".
Omnigraffle is getting ported to the iPad. This will give the iPad diagraming on par with Visio (well not quite on par, but certainly excellent for 90% of what you'd do in Visio). Omnifocus, my organizer of choice, is also getting the iPad treatment, but that's not the point of this post.
The ability to diagram stuff quickly on a handheld tablet that has a nice wide viewing angle and is easily passed back and forth between people is going to be awesome. To be able to walk up to a rack of computers and create a wiring diagram on the fly, or to quickly draft up an architecture, a flow chart, or anything else without pulling out the laptop to do it is going to be a killer app for me.
Diagramming should be excellent and extremely intuitive on a tablet, I can't wait. Even just having a tablet form factor to look up existing drawings when in the server room is going to be great - there's not always a spot to put a laptop, whereas the tablet can just lay on top of the server or rack or whatever.
I think the most exciting aspect of the iPad is that its going to allow traditional Mac apps to "grow down" to the iPad's size - iWork in this regard is a seminal application because it demonstrates that you can take your Mac application and get it right-sized on the Tablet.
I will forward this by stating I am a Dell employee. I think that Dell's entry into the smartphone and tablet market is going to be interesting. They revolutionized the PC industry, but failed miserably in the MP3/PDA industry (anyone have a Dell diddy?). I don't work in the consumer part of the company and Apple doesn't compete with the products I sell. As of right now I don't think I want either the IPad or the Mini 5, but it will be interesting to see which blows up. My money would be on the IPad just because of the Apple factor, however I think a lot of ppl will like the smaller Mini 5 that multitasks and has a camera. But, is it big enough to draw ppl away from Iphone/other smartphones instead? We will see.
Omnigraffle is getting ported to the iPad. This will give the iPad diagraming on par with Visio (well not quite on par, but certainly excellent for 90% of what you'd do in Visio). Omnifocus, my organizer of choice, is also getting the iPad treatment, but that's not the point of this post.
The ability to diagram stuff quickly on a handheld tablet that has a nice wide viewing angle and is easily passed back and forth between people is going to be awesome. To be able to walk up to a rack of computers and create a wiring diagram on the fly, or to quickly draft up an architecture, a flow chart, or anything else without pulling out the laptop to do it is going to be a killer app for me.
Diagramming should be excellent and extremely intuitive on a tablet, I can't wait. Even just having a tablet form factor to look up existing drawings when in the server room is going to be great - there's not always a spot to put a laptop, whereas the tablet can just lay on top of the server or rack or whatever.
I think the most exciting aspect of the iPad is that its going to allow traditional Mac apps to "grow down" to the iPad's size - iWork in this regard is a seminal application because it demonstrates that you can take your Mac application and get it right-sized on the Tablet.
Hey yeah, that will actually be really cool. Can Omnigraffle drawings be used in Visio and vice-versa?
Edit: Actually, I can look that up...
Hmmm, I see it can open .vsd files, but can it save as Visio too?
Hey yeah, that will actually be really cool. Can Omnigraffle drawings be used in Visio and vice-versa?
Edit: Actually, I can look that up...
OmniGraffle Pro can import/export Visio drawings I believe. I would expect them to bring that feature across too, since that's a big selling point for them.
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I will forward this by stating I am a Dell employee. They revolutionized the PC industry
OK, I'll bite...how did Dell revolutionize the PC industry? Other than being among the first/best to offer build to order, what have they contributed to the industry from a technology or design standpoint?
OK, I'll bite...how did Dell revolutionize the PC industry? Other than being among the first/best to offer build to order, what have they contributed to the industry from a technology or design standpoint?
You stated what I was talking about and also the direct model. It changed the game and I don't think people realize how much Dell had in a hand in driving down pricing. Everyone caught up to how Dell did things as far as manufacturing goes.
Plus they moved everything to India, which really revolutionized how frustrating a simple over-the-phone order can be.
They weren't the first to start doing that, but did follow suit. As an Apple fan i see you are willing to pay the extra money for a computer with US based tech support and all that. However, most people complain about talking to India aren't willing to pony up an extra $100-200 to make it happen.
Weird I just did more research into the Mini 5 and found out it has SIM which means it is a phone. Now I might actually consider one because I am planning on a new phone this year.
They weren't the first to start doing that, but did follow suit. As an Apple fan i see you are willing to pay the extra money for a computer with US based tech support and all that. However, most people complain about talking to India aren't willing to pony up an extra $100-200 to make it happen.
Wait... Dell ships their sales, customer and tech support to India, and that makes me an Apple fanboy?
I realize you work for the company, so you're obviously biased... but have you ever actually had to phone Dell as a regular customer? I've been dealing with them on both a consumer and business level for almost 15 years now, so believe me when I talk about how frustrating the process has become. I'd gladly cough up an extra $200 to not have to spend the first 30 mins of a tech support call spelling my last name over and over and over and over.
Edit: Anyway, this doesn't need to be a thing. I was just cracking a joke that is probably pretty funny to anyone else who has had to deal with Dell in the recent past. Well, maybe not funny, but at least relatable.
Wait... Dell ships their sales, customer and tech support to India, and that makes me an Apple fanboy?
I realize you work for the company, so you're obviously biased... but have you ever actually had to phone Dell as a regular customer? I've been dealing with them on both a consumer and business level for almost 15 years now, so believe me when I talk about how frustrating the process has become.
Edit: Anyway, this doesn't need to be a thing. I was just cracking a joke that is probably pretty funny to anyone else who has had to deal with Dell in the recent past. Well, maybe not funny, but at least relatable.
I did not call you a fanboy. You are obviously a fan of how Apple does things. I'm not bias toward Dell really that much except in terms of the products I sell. I understand that people get frustrated with it. My only point to it was when you buy a computer from any company you have the option to pay more for US based support, if the non-US based support irks you pay for US. If Dell/HP/Lenovo had only US based support everyone would be paying more.
I did not call you a fanboy. You are obviously a fan of how Apple does things. I'm not bias toward Dell really that much except in terms of the products I sell. I understand that people get frustrated with it. My only point to it was when you buy a computer from any company you have the option to pay more for US based support, if the non-US based support irks you pay for US. If Dell/HP/Lenovo had only US based support everyone would be paying more.
Not once have I ever been offered the option of paying for US-based support. Where is this option and why isn't it offered to me every time I complain about getting someone who can't understand what I'm calling about?
Also, while we're on the topic, it was only about 5 years ago that everything moved to India. The prices didn't come down at all, either. I think that's just something you guys are told to tell people... but prices all over the computer industry have all come down together. Stuff at Dell is just as cheap as it is at HP or Toshiba. I'm not paying $200 less because tech support is in India, I'm paying $200 less because the whole market is $200 less... and Dell is just making up for the loss profits by farming their support services out to India.
OK, I'll bite...how did Dell revolutionize the PC industry? Other than being among the first/best to offer build to order, what have they contributed to the industry from a technology or design standpoint?
