LOST sixth and final season

[CaptainCrunch]

My thoughts . . . in white so I don't spoil anyone who's watching later.

The old saying that Locke used before is so apt here. Not with a bang but a whimper. I find that I was incredibly let down by the whole 2 and a half hour finale of the 6 year run of what to this point had been a ground breaking series.

Its almost like the writers and producers had no idea to sum up the whole series, and give us the answers that we so richly deserved.

The majority of this episode was of the players in the alternate reality to gain back their memories and reunite with the loves that they had gained on the Island. that would be fine, except that I felt that the makers of lost were after cheap heat, as people remembered and cried and made out and in one case delivered babies. but it was played to get a emotional reaction while getting people distracted from the fact that the way that they ended this series was incredibly weak. But hey we all cried.

The ending of the Locke Monster was incredibly disappointing, it seemed that as soon as Jack took over guardianship he changed the rules and made the Man in Black mortal, and then using the distraction of the plug being pulled by Desmond there was basically a 5 minute fist fight ala the fight between Kirk and Kluge in the Search for Spock on the Genesis planet where the ultimate evil who could snuff out all life by merely leaving the Island was shot by Kate and then kicked off of a Cliff to his death. The only thing missing was Jack kicking him off of the Cliff while screaming "I. . . have . . . had enough of . . . you". Now say that in your head like William Shatner and you'll get my drift.

Meanwhile the plan by the Man in Black was to get Desmond to pull the bathtub drain in the Islands inner plumbing to sink the Island while he floated away on his boat while twirling his mustache and laughing like a villain.

While we finally saw the inside of the cave you get the feeling that originally the writers had a concept to explain the origins of the Island with the skeletons the hieroglyphics and the elaborately carved plug.

But the biggest disappointment to me was the ending explanation that they were all dead on the Island, the alternate reality was a waiting room for them to gain their memories, reunite and walk into the light. The only thing missing was Aaron sitting in front of a static filled T.V. while muttering "Their here".

The assumption being that Jack was the last to die, and when he expired, they could all move on. The final scene showed the jet with the rest of the survivors flying over head. I guess we're to assume that minutes later Lapedius went flaps down sending all the passengers to their death.

Yes this is the end, they were all dead, the smoke monster was Barry Horowitz and thank god they walked into the light.

Emotionally they did a good job by setting atmosphere. We are left wondering if Ben, Hurley and Desmond are actually dead, but the whole damned thing in the end was one big build up to a poor ending where it because apparent that the writers were as the title of the show so accurately described as lost.

In the end this was like a 6 year date with a hot woman finally getting to the point of bedding her, and then 10 minutes later laying back and saying it was ok, but it wasn't great.

Lost might as well have been written by Stephen King. A nice beginning, a excellent build up, and then an easy to kill spider in the end.

Too bad. But with the hype that this final had, I doubt that too many people are going to be all that satisfied with the answers that they got.

[FFR]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Hmm, but why did Ben tell Hurley that people not being able to leave the Island was Jacob's doing. Hurley could do it differently. That led me to believe he created the little place in heaven, or wherever, I suppose it's no place, since he was the new "Jacob." That's why they weren't all stuck on the island in Whisper form.

God damn it, I'm going to have to let it sink in and watch it again.

I kinda thought that whoever was the "guardian" of the island got to make the rules. So Jacob's rule was that no one could get there easily. And Ben told Hurley he could run it differently - so he did until he died - we just dont' know what happened after that because the story ended.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by FFR

I kinda thought that whoever was the "guardian" of the island got to make the rules. So Jacob's rule was that no one could get there easily. And Ben told Hurley he could run it differently - so he did until he died - we just dont' know what happened after that because the story ended.

It's possible. Although I'm still left wondering why they showed the empty wreckage at the end, when Jack closed his eye with Vincent laying down -- dead? -- next to him. I suppose it could have just been a final send-off, but it made me feel as if the wreckage was empty -- they weren't alive around it.

Man! I love the ending just for the simple fact it makes me think this much.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Mike F

That's not it at all.

If it was, the relationships created after the crash wouldn't have mattered

Remember what Jack's dad said. Some died before some died long after Jack. I guess on reflection, the ones that got off on the jet reached safety and survived years later. When they died in their old age they went to the reality waiting room that was created.

[Flabbibulin]

I have watched every episode, but cant remember...

Did they ever explain why there were friggin polar bears on the island?!?!?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

I have watched every episode, but cant remember...

Did they ever explain why there were friggin polar bears on the island?!?!?

Experimental animals bought by Dharma.

[wpgflamesfan]

Well said CaptainCrunch. Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole series.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Remember what Jack's dad said. Some died before some died long after Jack. I guess on reflection, the ones that got off on the jet reached safety and survived years later. When they died in their old age they went to the reality waiting room that was created.

yes, but he could be refering to characters that werent on the plane to begin with- penelope, desmond etc...

I think the entire series was meant to be some sort of path to the afterlife- and the destruction of the black monster earned them passage to heaven...that theory would certainly explain all of the paranormal in the series

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

yes, but he could be refering to characters that werent on the plane to begin with- penelope, desmond etc...

I think the entire series was meant to be some sort of path to the afterlife- and the destruction of the black monster earned them passage to heaven...that theory would certainly explain all of the paranormal in the series

I tend to agree. Especially with the end scene being Jack closing his eye, Vincent laying beside him, and the very end shot of the wreckage with no one alive near it.

All those references to the Island being the Underworld. . . . All the civilizations and peoples that came to the Island before, through death. This would explain the Egyptian elements without needing to go into them in detail at all.

Jack saying he was already dead to Hurley when he went back down into the "light" to plug it back up again. He had achieved Enlightenment when he drank Jacob's drink. . . . Perhaps he realized what it all was by that point?

Smokey stabbing Jack's neck with the knife yelling that he had "died for nothing."

I really need to watch this episode again. It seemed to my girlfriend and I as a path to the afterlife, as well.

[FFR]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I tend to agree. Especially with the end scene being Jack closing his eye, Vincent laying beside him, and the very end shot of the wreckage with no one alive near it.

All those references to the Island being the Underworld. . . . All the civilizations and peoples that came to the Island before, through death. This would explain the Egyptian elements without needing to go into them in detail at all.

Jack saying he was already dead to Hurley when he went back down into the "light" to plug it back up again. He had achieved Enlightenment when he drank Jacob's drink. . . . Perhaps he realized what it all was by that point?

Smokey stabbing Jack's neck with the knife yelling that he had "died for nothing."

I really need to watch this episode again. It seemed to my girlfriend and I as a path to the afterlife, as well.

But then Christian's speech to Jack at the end really wouldn't make any sense - that some died later than others? and some before? And not all of them helped get rid of smokey - and some came to the island later than others. Penny was never even there. I dunno - I still don't see the afterlife thing...

[sa226]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I tend to agree. Especially with the end scene being Jack closing his eye, Vincent laying beside him, and the very end shot of the wreckage with no one alive near it.

When was this? I don't remember that. I thought it ended when Jack closed his eye......

So some people are thinking that they all died on the initial plane crash and the whole show is some sort of Purgatory?

That doesn't really explain all the people who weren't on the plane to begin with....

[Flabbibulin]

Has anyone speculated that they all died when the H-bomb went off?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by sa226

When was this? I don't remember that. I thought it ended when Jack closed his eye......

So some people are thinking that they all died on the initial plane crash and the whole show is some sort of Purgatory?

That doesn't really explain all the people who weren't on the plane to begin with....

After Jack closed his eye it showed the credits with the plane wreckage above it in silence.

Yeah, I'm seeing more holes in this theory now when I think of Dharma recruiting people to come to the Island, and the O6 having left and then returned.

It is still a nice image in my head, though.

[Flabbibulin]

Im really not sure if the ending is meant to be open to interpretation, or if Im just plain stupid... but I prefer the theory that they all died in the initial plane crash.

A series with time travel, H-bomb explosions, miracle cures, people that live forever, smoke monsters, fat people on deserted islands that don't lose weight, and islands that disappear is a little too much to be taken literally.

edit: anyone else notice that they failed to explain how they got the tree off Linus??

[sa226]

Oh and by the way I'm really glad the airplane didn't become a pivotal piece in the outcome of the story.....

There is no way that sucker would get off that island....never mind you can't back up an airplane on thrust reversers...

Seems kind of stupid to complain about airplane realism in a show with smoke monsters and time traveling islands but that kinda bugged me.

Edit:
Actually not entirely true.....you can back up an airplane with reverse......but there is no way you can back up that plane in that situation.

Whatever doesn't matter

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'm going to sleep on it before I actually get into posting thoughts and such

However

One thing that has bugged me throughout the entire season is how everyone remembers they were on Oceanic flight 815. Who the hell remembers their flight number? Ever? After a crash, yes, it's remembered, but a routine flight that lands normally? WTF? The whole "You were on Oceanic 815" and not "We were on the same flight from Australia" just irked me.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

After Jack closed his eye it showed the credits with the plane wreckage above it in silence.

Yeah, I'm seeing more holes in this theory now when I think of Dharma recruiting people to come to the Island, and the O6 having left and then returned.

It is still a nice image in my head, though.

The more I think about it, I kind of want you to be correct. I already read a review that said the same thing. They were dead all along. I still think there are huge holes in that theory.

If it is possible to put all the pieces together and connect all the dots to prove that theory....it would make the whole series that much more epic....but right now I can't see it.

[FFR]

Originally Posted by sa226

The more I think about it, I kind of want you to be correct. I already read a review that said the same thing. They were dead all along. I still think there are huge holes in that theory.

If it is possible to put all the pieces together and connect all the dots to prove that theory....it would make the whole series that much more epic....but right now I can't see it.

The more I think about it the more I wonder if the "they all died right away" theory is the correct one. But then I think - what was the point of the Richard back story? and all the Ben back story? Whidmore? Penny? etc. Too much doesn't 'fit' that way. But if they were all dead it would explain why Rose's cancer went away and why Locke could walk again.

I'm gonna have to think on it.

[gottabekd]

Guys, they weren't dead the whole time.

Christian says something along the lines of "Your time on the island was the most important part of your lives". Really doesn't mean anything if they were already dead.

In the flash sideways, they are all dead, and at the church meet up, they all were there to "let go" (i.e. stop existing in the make believe flash sideways timeline).

Eloise Hawking knows this, which is why she doesn't want Desmond to take her son (Daniel) with them. Eloise killed Daniel in the real timeline, and so enjoys the make believe world where he can still be alive with her. She hasn't let go yet.

[FFR]

Originally Posted by gottabekd

Guys, they weren't dead the whole time.

Christian says something along the lines of "Your time on the island was the most important part of your lives". Really doesn't mean anything if they were already dead.

In the flash sideways, they are all dead, and at the church meet up, they all were there to "let go" (i.e. stop existing in the make believe flash sideways timeline).

Eloise Hawking knows this, which is why she doesn't want Desmond to take her son (Daniel) with them. Eloise killed Daniel in the real timeline, and so enjoys the make believe world where he can still be alive with her. She hasn't let go yet.

Yes...yes this makes sense. Thank you. I was starting to talk myself out of my original theory and more towards the "dead" theory. If they were all dead than Christian's speech at the end made no sense at all. And Eloise's parts wouldn't have made sense either.