Who did you vote for? - Official Election Results Thread

[flamey_mcflame]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

So interest rates uniquely impacted the West because their house values rose faster than the East over the prior 8 years.... and not other impacts like the NEP.

Larf. flamey_mcflame = Johnny 99 version 2.0. Any calpuckist will tell you that.

I Don't know who that is. Nor do I care. But since all the economists are wrong as am I, please tell me why Houston also wnet bust at the same time. Did the U.S. Also have a NEP?? Forget about interest rates, gluts of oil and low oil prices. It was all the NEP's fault. Your argument has to resort to some kind of weird analogies between myself and some guy. A logical argument would suggest that high oil prices equal boom, low oil prices equal bust. Before you respond, remember, take other oil dominated cities into account. I just want to see what answer you';re gonna come up for Houston's bust. Maybe just compare me to another user on this forum I've never heard of.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

I Don't know who that is. Nor do I care. But since all the economists are wrong as am I, please tell me why Houston also wnet bust at the same time. Did the U.S. Also have a NEP?? Forget about interest rates, gluts of oil and low oil prices. It was all the NEP's fault. Your argument has to resort to some kind of weird analogies between myself and some guy. A logical argument would suggest that high oil prices equal boom, low oil prices equal bust. Before you respond, remember, take other oil dominated cities into account. I just want to see what answer you';re gonna come up for Houston's bust. Maybe just compare me to another user on this forum I've never heard of.

If you never heard of him you missed a good thread. Wonder what thread that might have been.....

So you are indicating that Houston should be a comparable to Calgary/Edmonton for that time period that I provided a link to before... the one that showed a 40 percent drop in housing prices from about 1980-1984. By your take we should see similar trends and timeframes.

Let's take a looksee shall we?

The local economic booms in the oil patch cities began to unwind, however, as oil prices started to weaken. After surging 250 percent between 1978 and 1980, crude oil prices began a six-year decline that culminated with a 46 percent price drop in 1986.8 Table 2 shows that while the eleven oil patch cities saw their combined job growth surge an average of 5 percent annually from 1980 to 1982, this string of strong gains began to unravel beginning in 1983. The economic stress resulting from the decline in oil prices is evident in the intermittent job loss and population outflows that characterized the oil patch cities until 1989. This economic stress in turn weighed heavily on the housing markets in these cities. In the worst cases, nominal home prices fell by 40 percent and 33 percent in Lafayette, Louisiana, and Casper, Wyoming, respectively, between 1983 and 1988.

Source the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

Houston was hit for a 22% drop over the 1986-1991 timeframe. Source FDIC again.

When Trudeau enacted the NEP in 1980 it immediately impacted Alberta adversely resulting in a significant hit on housing prices, while other oilpatch areas LIKE HOUSTON were still experiencing growth. It wasn't for several years afterwards that the big plunge in oil prices took their toll on Houston and other areas. Alberta was already dead.

I can take one hell of a punch and not go down (been there, done that). But a one-two combo of haymakers can level me. In Alberta the federal Liberal government launched the first blow clearly and with severe ramifications, the second came later with the drop in oil prices.

[transplant99]

LOL...great stuff in this thread.

Libs is a derogatory term now? Grits too?

Seems that there is a LOT of people that voted for others than TORY, which makes for an interesting demographic here at CP. Im guessing a majority of them are in the 18-29 age bracket. Youth has always leaned "left" but tends to even out as they age.

The other argument that things should change because the price of oil is at an alltime high is just bizarre to me. Oh and that sacrificing Albertans is OK as long as it benefits "Canada". I always thought Alberta was part of the confederation.

Anyone who thinks that Trudeau was a great "Canadian" needs to give their head a shake. He was a great politician, but he was nothing but a regional ruler. A black mark on the PM office.

I will soon enough be returning to the motherland and am happy that Alberta has returned a Conservative government, even if Stelmach isn't my cup of tea.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by transplant99

LOL...great stuff in this thread.

Libs is a derogatory term now? Grits too?

Seems that there is a LOT of people that voted for others than TORY, which makes for an interesting demographic here at CP. Im guessing a majority of them are in the 18-29 age bracket. Youth has always leaned "left" but tends to even out as they age.

The other argument that things should change because the price of oil is at an alltime high is just bizarre to me. Oh and that sacrificing Albertans is OK as long as it benefits "Canada". I always thought Alberta was part of the confederation.

Anyone who thinks that Trudeau was a great "Canadian" needs to give their head a shake. He was a great politician, but he was nothing but a regional ruler. A black mark on the PM office.

I will soon enough be returning to the motherland and am happy that Alberta has returned a Conservative government, even if Stelmach isn't my cup of tea.

I think both of the items (Libs and sacrificing) were by one poster Tranny so not too much can be read of those.
Oh and I'm almost 35 and have never voted PC. Your 18-29 is perhaps mostly for Albertans, lots of liberal governments; around the world, that support higher ages. I've heard that "fact" before, would love to see there's any reality to it.

[transplant99]

Oh and I'm almost 35 and have never voted PC. Your 18-29 is perhaps mostly for Albertans, lots of liberal governments; around the world, that support higher ages. I've heard that "fact" before, would love to see there's any reality to it.

Actually I should of clarified as it being more of a NA trend...but I could be wrong.

Its certainly how it worked for me though.

[Ozy_Flame]

It's elections like these that make me wonder we we bother to have a pluralistic democracy that we do. The Conservatives will continue to reign supreme over this province, and it's a sad state of affairs. I can only hope one day Albertans will realize that social programs and green policies can actually do good in the long run, and might be able to look past their own wallet (especially those in the corporate world).

Not in my lifetime though. I can't leave soon enough!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Albertans should never help out the rest of our fellow Canadians. Hey just because we were lucky enough to lie on top of a bunch of oil doesn't mean that we didn't earn and deserve every last drop. I'm happy that I live in this province, but I think some people actually think we did something special as Albertans to have all this wealth. It's oil and its worth lots. Thats why this province is wealthy. Not because we are all a bunch of superhumans.

Good lord, get over yourself.

The only thing Alberta has done for decades is give and give and give.

Spare your pathetic attempt at a guilt trip for someone who deserves it. Before the NEP, during the NEP and after the NEP, Alberta was contributing more to this country via transfer payments than it ever gave back.

What we got for our generosity was an arrogant ass of a Prime Minister wilfully destroying the economy of a province he had a major league problem with to prop up his centralist home base. And in the end, we still paid and paid and paid.

Yes, we are fortunate enough to have a plentiful natrual resource in high demand. But guess what? So too has nearly every other province in this country at one point or another. Trudeau is rotting in hell for what he did to this country as a whole, and this province especially, and anyone else arrogant enough to suggest that we haven't given more than our fair share to this country can lie right beside him, imnsho.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Are we going to have a chance to meet our MLA's soon?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

LOL...great stuff in this thread.

Libs is a derogatory term now? Grits too?

Seems that there is a LOT of people that voted for others than TORY, which makes for an interesting demographic here at CP. Im guessing a majority of them are in the 18-29 age bracket. Youth has always leaned "left" but tends to even out as they age.

The other argument that things should change because the price of oil is at an alltime high is just bizarre to me. Oh and that sacrificing Albertans is OK as long as it benefits "Canada". I always thought Alberta was part of the confederation.

Anyone who thinks that Trudeau was a great "Canadian" needs to give their head a shake. He was a great politician, but he was nothing but a regional ruler. A black mark on the PM office.

I will soon enough be returning to the motherland and am happy that Alberta has returned a Conservative government, even if Stelmach isn't my cup of tea.

VERY interesting observation.

I was actually wondering if this was just my generation or is this a trend that has been happening since the beginning of time.

A lot of people my age (24) are liberal, and I always ask them why. The conclusions that I always come up with is that at younger ages social issues (abortion, same sex marrige) are deciding issues for most people, and most people my age tend to lean left.

I wonder if these people lean left on when it comes to the economy and justice (which in my opinion are the two most important)?

Lets leave the environment out of this one

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by fotze

Man, you are one bitter fellow. Every post of yours says something about hating this place. You should leave, its proabbly eating you up inside.

It is, believe me.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Albertans should never help out the rest of our fellow Canadians. Hey just because we were lucky enough to lie on top of a bunch of oil doesn't mean that we didn't earn and deserve every last drop. I'm happy that I live in this province, but I think some people actually think we did something special as Albertans to have all this wealth. It's oil and its worth lots. Thats why this province is wealthy. Not because we are all a bunch of superhumans.

Have you ever been near a rig? Those guys are hard workers. The oil doesn't just come flying out of the ground like it did for the Beverly Hillbillies.

[Bobblehead]

When I went to bed last night, I though my riding had turned out Identical to the way it did last time - with Shiraz Shariff winning another narrow victory. I wake up today and find out he lost by less than 100 votes.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's elections like these that make me wonder we we bother to have a pluralistic democracy that we do. The Conservatives will continue to reign supreme over this province, and it's a sad state of affairs. I can only hope one day Albertans will realize that social programs and green policies can actually do good in the long run, and might be able to look past their own wallet (especially those in the corporate world).

Not in my lifetime though. I can't leave soon enough!

Good Riddance.. The less bleeding hearts here the better..

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

VERY interesting observation.

I was actually wondering if this was just my generation or is this a trend that has been happening since the beginning of time.

A lot of people my age (24) are liberal, and I always ask them why. The conclusions that I always come up with is that at younger ages social issues (abortion, same sex marrige) are deciding issues for most people, and most people my age tend to lean left.

I wonder if these people lean left on when it comes to the economy and justice (which in my opinion are the two most important)?

Lets leave the environment out of this one

I've always wondered that too. I actually put it up to education....from the informal friend surveys I've done I've found that those who didn't go to post secondary and entered the workforce after high school tended to be a little more right leaning. Those who went to post secondary (especially anyone who went into education) was really left wing. I have one side of my family (an aunt, an uncle, 2 cousins and their husbands) that are all teachers, and man o man do they ever lean left.

I've always wondered why that was, but never really put a lot of thought into it.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Good Riddance.. The less bleeding hearts here the better..

Yeah man, don't worry I'm going. Just saving up a few more bucks to go back out traveling / working again. Just gotta sell some property too and I'll be on my way.

[Thunderball]

I think I (and some in my circle of friends) are the exception and not the rule. I've always been right leaning, and if anything have moderated slightly in my 20s.

I think with me it comes from growing up with a small business and having immigrant grandparents who built themselves up without a cent from the government.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think I (and some in my circle of friends) are the exception and not the rule. I've always been right leaning, and if anything have moderated slightly in my 20s.

I think with me it comes from growing up with a small business and having immigrant grandparents who built themselves up without a cent from the government.

I'll agree with that. I think alot of the times voters are products of their upbringings, and vote instinctively what matches their norms most closely. Alot of people gained distrust from the government from the NEP and other Ontario-centric policies, and that includes everything from a non-elected Senate to CBC's love affair with the Leafs.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'll agree with that. I think alot of the times voters are products of their upbringings, and vote instinctively what matches their norms most closely. Alot of people gained distrust from the government from the NEP and other Ontario-centric policies, and that includes everything from a non-elected Senate to CBC's love affair with the Leafs.

I think one's upbringing forms much of the basis of their political views, but somewhere along the lines they have to pass validation. Thats why you see so many kids on the far left swing towards the centre or even go right of centre. They simply can't validate their far left views with reality, so they migrate until they can.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's elections like these that make me wonder we we bother to have a pluralistic democracy that we do. The Conservatives will continue to reign supreme over this province, and it's a sad state of affairs. I can only hope one day Albertans will realize that social programs and green policies can actually do good in the long run, and might be able to look past their own wallet (especially those in the corporate world).

Not in my lifetime though. I can't leave soon enough!

It's democracy in action. While you believe that social and green programs are good thing long term, others see their benefits not being worth the effort and expense. A majority of Albertans who bothered to show up last night held up that view. Call them ingrates, call them greedy, it doesn't change the election result nor does it change its legitimacy.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

VERY interesting observation.

I was actually wondering if this was just my generation or is this a trend that has been happening since the beginning of time.

A lot of people my age (24) are liberal, and I always ask them why. The conclusions that I always come up with is that at younger ages social issues (abortion, same sex marrige) are deciding issues for most people, and most people my age tend to lean left.

I wonder if these people lean left on when it comes to the economy and justice (which in my opinion are the two most important)?

Lets leave the environment out of this one

Youths (or YOOTS) lean left in college. Then they enter the real world, earn their first real paycheque see the column "TAX" and immediately lean more towards the right