Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[Lanny_MacDonald]

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[jolinar of malkshor]

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[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Azure

That is where the theory of collateral damage applies, even though me, you and everyone else cannot stand it.

One side is shooting at cities, the other at terrorist targets.

Thats where I find the difference.

You can't stand it? Really. I don't see you condemning Israel for the collateral damage then. This is the first time you've shown any capability for seeing two sides of the war, and you said it in a round about way. Isn't it anti-Semetic to even think this way?

Oh yeah, and since we're all IN Lebanon ourselves, we know where exactly Hezbollah is operating. Of course they're operating from suburbs and villages! That's what the media tells us right?

Blowing up buses and trucks with fleeing civilians - ie. INTENT TO KILL THEM. Bull****. That's what this is.

[spiteface]

Azure et el, you are the epitomy of North American ignorance. The only way you will feel towards the ppl suffering in the Middle East is if you ever end up stranded in the middle of Gaza or where ever, mistaken for one, and treated like one.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Azure et el, you are the epitomy of North American ignorance. The only way you will feel towards the ppl suffering in the Middle East is if you ever end up stranded in the middle of Gaza or where ever, mistaken for one, and treated like one.

Oh brother kid. If you only knew the places I've walked on my own two feet.

[Calgaryborn]

What Israel is doing is right. They need to destroy Hesbollah and if Hesbollsh hides behide women and children then those lives are on Hesbollah's head as well as the government of Lebanon. A government is responsible for what they allow to go on in their country. They have allowed a group of terrorist to operate and plot harm against another nation from within their borders. What makes this worse is that nation is much more powerful than Lebanon. The people should shake their fists at their own government for bringing this upon them.

A good government brings peace and prosperity to its people. A bad government invites unnecessary hardship.

Israel should assault Hesbollah and the Lebanese army if they join ranks as hard and as swiftly as possible. My father told me once that if your ever forced to fight: Fight. Don't hesitate and don't worry that your causing too much damage or if it's dirty or not. Don't stop until he's down and not getting back up. This is what Israel must do to Hesbollah.

[Azure]

Trying to minimize casualties? I don't know about that. They certainly aren't trying to maximize casualties, but they don't seem too worried about killing scores of civilians. How do I know this? Because the Israelis know that they are killing civilians and they've said "yeah, and we are going to continue doing what we are doing".

Jesus Christ man, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and let Hezbollah go, while Israel has over 13,000 rockets pointing at their every single city?

I'm just glad you are never put in the situation where killing a thousand people may save a million lives. You'd be crying over the thousand while the other million were being killed.

I saw a woman on the news earlier tonight and she is worried about her parents trying to get out of Lebanon. There was some talk of a bus taking them somewhere but since the Israeli jets are targetting big trucks and buses because they might be carrying something nasty. The PM was on Larry King and he said the same thing. Does that sound like trying to minimize civilian casualties to you?

Maybe the Labanese civilains should take another route then, don't you think? Or they should have revolted 20 years ago when Hezbollah first set up shop. Then this whole problem wouldn't have occured.

[Azure]

You can't stand it? Really. I don't see you condemning Israel for the collateral damage then. This is the first time you've shown any capability for seeing two sides of the war, and you said it in a round about way. Isn't it anti-Semetic to even think this way?

I don't see you condemning Hezbollah either, so STFU.

Oh yeah, and since we're all IN Lebanon ourselves, we know where exactly Hezbollah is operating. Of course they're operating from suburbs and villages! That's what the media tells us right?

Like Lanny has said before, in order to bomb the buildings, Israel MUST have troops operating inside Lebanon to pinpoint the bombs. Surely that gives you better intelligence then the media, right?

Blowing up buses and trucks with fleeing civilians - ie. INTENT TO KILL THEM. Bull****. That's what this is.

Where have they INTENDED to blow up a bus? Provide me with some links wiseguy.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Azure et el, you are the epitomy of North American ignorance. The only way you will feel towards the ppl suffering in the Middle East is if you ever end up stranded in the middle of Gaza or where ever, mistaken for one, and treated like one.

Oh shut the hell up. You have no idea about my background, my family, and what I have been through.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how Lebanese civilians are to fly out of Lebanon and into Calgary, a WEEK after the conflict started.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Jesus Christ man, what do you expect them to do? Sit back and let Hezbollah go, while Israel has over 13,000 rockets pointing at every single city?

I'm just glad you are never put in the situation where killing a thousand people may save a million lives. You'd be crying over the thousand while the other million were being killed.

Jesus Christ man, I expect them to not free-up the Hezbollah recruiting budget for the next 25 years but whaddya know, they've gone and done that in the past week.

I'm just glad you will never be put in the position to cook a medium-rare steak for me, because I'm pretty sure I'd get either raw meat or a piece of charcoal.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Jesus Christ man, I expect them to not free-up the Hezbollah recruiting budget for the next 25 years but whaddya know, they've gone and done that in the past week.

I'm just glad you will never be put in the position to cook a medium-rare steak for me, because I'm pretty sure I'd get either raw meat or a piece of charcoal.

Nice comparison, and a perfectly good solution to the problem.

It's sad, really.

The "international community" screams for 20 years for Israel to leave southern Lebanon. Hezbollah insists they are only fighting to end the occupation.

Israel, wanting only peace, relents and withdraws.

Hardly any time passes and rocket attacks begin on Israli villages near the border. Hezbolah begins to build full-fledged fire bases along the border, stocking thousands upon thousands of rockets. The UN - which has troops there to enforce the promised disarmamement of Hezbollah - does, and says, NOTHING.

Hezbollah - views Israel's withdrawal not as a good faith gesture of peace, but as a sign of weakness. They interpret Israel's actions as proof that terrorism is successful, and believe that continued efforts might eventually accomplish their long term goal of dissolving Israel all together.

Meanwhile, most of the international press ignores that this is the cycle that has been repeated for 60 years, and once again condemns ISRAEL for daring to defend itself.

[Azure]

The Israel Air Force targeted an area near the city of Tyre, in southern Lebanon, used as launching grounds for missiles fired by Hezbollah terror organization at Israel.

The IDF regrets civilian casualties while targeting the missile launching area.

Responsibility for endangering civilian population rests on the Hezbollah terror organization which operates and launches missiles at Israel from populated civilian areas.

In the last 72 hours the Hezbollah terror organization has launched hundreds of rockets indiscriminately at Israeli cities putting over a million Israeli citizens within the range of missile fire.

The IDF makes every effort to keep civilians out of harm's way as we continue to defend the citizens of the state of Israel.

http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpa...docid=54417.EN

Just exactly WHERE has Hezbollah ever said ANYTHING like that?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Nice comparison, and a perfectly good solution to the problem.

I didn't make any comparison or offer any solution. I made a comment on your take of the situation. If you didn't get it then that's your problem, not mine.

[CaptainCrunch]

I was thinking tonight that the burden of responsibility lies heavily on the head of the Hezbollah, first for whats happening in Lebanon, and second for securing the cease fire in the region.

I mean the conflicts already happening, and Hezbollah started it by poking a bear with a rocket propelled stick. If they're serious about protecting thier people, all they have to do is return the soldiers and destroy thier stockpiles of rockets, and Israel might be willing to accept a return to status quo ante.

No matter what anyone says to me, I just can't view the Hezbollah as the protectors of thier people. Its something along the lines of living up to thier charter and using thier own people as useful idiots (As Stalin used to say) Secretly Hezbollah wants as many civillian casualties as it can get on both sides of the border. From the Lebanese side it makes it easier for them to receiver donations from radical governments in the region. Fresh troops that they can send to thier blessed martyred deaths (the younger the better, its good press), and with more money comes more advanced weapons (we've already seen it in this conflict as they've received longer ranged weapons). They want more casualties in Israel, because they know that Israel has to react, causing more deaths in Lebanon, and thus, well see above.

If your going to complain about Civilian casualties in Lebanon, you have to complain about Civilian attacks in Israel. If your going to assign blame you have to assign it between the two parties. Israel for the collateral damage that has happened. Hezbollah for using thier own people and the Civillians that they are the so called liberators for as pawns.

Which group is more evil and needs to be wiped from the earth is fairly apparent in my opinion.

Sadly like a gnat its next to impossible to wipe out a decentralized organization like the Hezbollah or Hamas. But for the sack of thier security and thier future, Israel has to engage them.

Tho I don't think that this is a conflict thats going to escalate to involve other countries, I think its going to be a years long conflict that will produce bloodshed of unprecedented proportion among civillian casualties. Hezbollah has played Israel and everybody else, and they're going to come out of it with less damage then Israel or Lebanon. Hows that for justice.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I didn't make any comparison or offer any solution. I made a comment on your take of the situation. If you didn't get it then that's your problem, not mine.

And I asked you what you would do if a terrorist group had 13,000 rockets pointed at your country, and you had the power to take them out?

Or are you avoiding "another" question?

[spiteface]

Originally Posted by Azure

Oh shut the hell up. You have no idea about my background, my family, and what I have been through.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how Lebanese civilians are to fly out of Lebanon and into Calgary, a WEEK after the conflict started.

I would love to know about your extensive background regarding the Middle East... pls do elaborate.

I never told you they flew out of Lebanon. All i said was that i picked them up from teh airport in calgary. Can you figure out that they might've flown out of another country like Jordan or Syria?

[spiteface]

Originally Posted by peter12

Oh brother kid. If you only knew the places I've walked on my own two feet.

Kid? Own two feet eh. You must be a man. Tell me when was the last time a hostile group entered your grandparents house and abducted your own cousin? But I'm sure you stood on your own 2 feet and would never let such a thing happen...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by spiteface

I would love to know about your extensive background regarding the Middle East... pls do elaborate.

I never told you they flew out of Lebanon. All i said was that i picked them up from teh airport in calgary. Can you figure out that they might've flown out of another country like Jordan or Syria?

Actually, I don't feel like sharing ANY personal information on a public board. Feel free to PM me.

Maybe you should come clean just exactly where they come from....which is exactly why I was asking.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Kid? Own two feet eh. You must be a man. Tell me when was the last time a hostile group entered your grandparents house and abducted your own cousin? But I'm sure you stood on your own 2 feet and would never let such a thing happen...

Hostile group being who? When did this happen, and where? Now that you started the story, explain so we can all understand.

[spiteface]

Originally Posted by Azure

And I asked you what you would do if a terrorist group had 13,000 rockets pointed at your country, and you had the power to take them out?

Or are you avoiding "another" question?

The terrorists with the F16s and Apache planes dont signify much in the face of Hizbollah right? Just ask the average Palestinian "living" in Gaza. Buddy, look through the history of the region. And the one time all 3 makor celestial religions coexisted was when it was the mandate of Palestine in control, when every religion was respected and both Christians and Jews were allowed to practice their own belefs without question from the controlling govt. Im too lazy to search right now but I can assure u its up on wikipedia or somewhere...