[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's a terrible return. Pass. We take on two cap dumps and they get Andersson for that? Gross.

I think you're undervaluing Bischel and overvaluing the cap dumps.

Andersson probably is valued at a 1st and 2nd at this point as a rental.

Bischel is a 6'7" former 1st round pick that had a pretty great first pro-season in North America.

Big d-men are what win in the playoffs and you've seen teams pay an absolute premium for that this offseason.

My guess is you'd get another 2nd if you flip Lybushkin at 50% retained too.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Counter offer.

Dallas gets:
Andersson with extension. 50% retained next year.
2026 Vegas 1st
2026 Calgary 2nd
Connor Zary

Flames get:
Dumba
Lyubushkin
Johnston

That is a fantastic return! So fantastic it's not realistic unfortunately..

I would do it in a second though

[Saqe]

This trade is really heating up! lol

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Counter offer.

Dallas gets:
Andersson with extension. 50% retained next year.
2026 Vegas 1st
2026 Calgary 2nd
Connor Zary

Flames get:
Dumba
Lyubushkin
Johnston

Originally Posted by traptor

That is a fantastic return! So fantastic it's not realistic unfortunately..

I would do it in a second though

Weird, I kinda hate it. Anderson (call it a first and a second) and Zary (first) for cap dumps (negative first, maybe second) and Johnston?

Thats like 3 or 4 firsts and a high second for W. Johnston?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Weird, I kinda hate it. Anderson (call it a first and a second) and Zary (first) for cap dumps (negative first, maybe second) and Johnston?

Thats like 3 or 4 firsts and a high second for W. Johnston?

Ya guys who are on track to be top 15-20 centers in the league probably do not go for that much.

[circle]

I'd say Dallas still doesn't take that offer. They are not going to trade their future 1C for anything less than a 1C back.

[dammage79]

Robertson for Razz 1 for 1. I feel like this is the kind of trade that will go down. Flames will use their cap space to make these kind of trades.

I'd personally prefer using Razz for a Necas type over a Robertson but I'm not too fussy. Just make the trade, get Byram done and walk into camp an interesting team.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Robertson for Razz 1 for 1. I feel like this is the kind of trade that will go down. Flames will use their cap space to make these kind of trades.

I'd personally prefer using Razz for a Necas type over a Robertson but I'm not too fussy. Just make the trade, get Byram done and walk into camp an interesting team.

Problem is that it blows our biggest current trade chip to fill a position that we don't really have a need for.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Weird, I kinda hate it. Anderson (call it a first and a second) and Zary (first) for cap dumps (negative first, maybe second) and Johnston?

Thats like 3 or 4 firsts and a high second for W. Johnston?

I think you're overvaluing our pieces + cap dump prices and undervaluing Johnston.

Dumba and Lyubushkin also are still useful pieces.

This would be a slam dunk deal in my mind but as others have said, moot as Dallas would never do it.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Counter offer.

Dallas gets:
Andersson with extension. 50% retained next year.
2026 Vegas 1st
2026 Calgary 2nd
Connor Zary

Flames get:
Dumba
Lyubushkin
Johnston

Interesting... I think that is an overpayment on Calgary's side.

Flames give:
Andersson + retention + extension = 2 1sts + prospect (maybe more based on retention and 9 years of control)
Vegas 1st = 1st in a deep draft
Calgary 2026 2nd = close to a 1st (deep draft and/or bad season)
Zary = 1st+


Stars give:
Johnston = 4 1sts??
Dumba = Negative 2nd
Lyubushkin = Negative 2nd

For Johnston and 2 cap dumps, plus a solution to their #1RD problem with retention to make him fit in their 2026 cap jail, the Flames could probably throw in less sweetener, especially considering the Stars are bidding against Vegas.

Maybe I am off but I definitely feel like the Flames are not getting enough value with the cap dumps in there. I would hope the cap dumps would move the needle a bit like this:

Dallas gets:
Andersson with extension. 50% retained next year.
2027 Calgary 2nd
2026 Calgary 2nd

Flames get:
Dumba
Lyubushkin
Johnston

Then we would need to figure out how to move out some vets with only 1 retention slot available.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Problem is that it blows our biggest current trade chip to fill a position that we don't really have a need for.

Oh I know, but you extract positive value from the exchange. They'll have to hope the centers they do have pan out.

[InternationalVillager]

One thing I've learned this week is that Dreger is no insider. He's a hack. Plenty of bad info. And any opportunity he had to take it back, he doubled down.

[Finger Cookin]

Haven't read most of this thread, so apologies if I'm retreading ground that has already been beaten to death.

How Reinhart has turned out in Florida notwithstanding -- if this organization is looking at building a winning culture and identity with it's player acquisitions and roster...Buffalo is just about the last organization I would be looking to add from.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I think you're overvaluing our pieces + cap dump prices and undervaluing Johnston.

Dumba and Lyubushkin also are still useful pieces.

This would be a slam dunk deal in my mind but as others have said, moot as Dallas would never do it.

No they are not useful. If they were useful the Stars wouldn't be trying to move them out.
- Dumba went from being a 20+ point guy playing 20+ minutes to 1 goal in 10 points playing ~15 minutes last season.
- Lyubushkin got 1 goal on 14 points on ~17 minutes last season.

These guys represent a combined $7M in cap space and are not playing up to their salaries. They might be useful at Hanley's $1.75M but at their current cap hits they are anchors on a competing team built up against the cap ceiling.

[traptor]

You guys can sum up all the pieces you want, were not getting Johnston. Hes as untouchable as they come and would only be loveable for a McDavid type return.


At the end of the day value is what someone's willing to pay and quality>quantity.


The stars wouldnt take 4 mid-to-late 1sts for Johnston.



Plus if they're trading Johnston for Rasmus, why would they need cap?

[Sylvanfan]

With the upper limit of the cap blowing up I think the days of needing to attach valuable draft capital to move a player are gone.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1940852671680004386

Robertson and Dumba for Andersson, Coleman (50%), Pospisil. Make it happen.

Or, Dumba + 2027 1st + B prospect + 3rd for Andersson (50%)

[Calgary4LIfe]

Hey Dallas, Flames can take both Dumba and Lyubushkin off your hands if you up the ante on Rasmus.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by traptor

You guys can sum up all the pieces you want, were not getting Johnston. Hes as untouchable as they come and would only be loveable for a McDavid type return.

At the end of the day value is what someone's willing to pay and quality>quantity.

The stars wouldnt take 4 mid-to-late 1sts for Johnston.

Plus if they're trading Johnston for Rasmus, why would they need cap?

I mean... if they offer anything else (Robertson) then I would hang up and tell the other teams to offer a C that is at least as valuable as Robertson. The Stars can then run back the same team and maybe lose in the conference finals again.

As for the cap situation. Dallas is over the cap and still has holes in it's roster. 12 forwards is typically not enough for an NHL season, which is why most teams run 13-14 forwards. Their D group is a bit of a mess with all of their good D on the left side, which is why they want Andersson to begin with.

If they wanted to fix their roster in one move then this would be close:

Dallas gets:
Andersson with extension. 50% retained next year.
Connor Zary with bridge deal
Pospisil

Flames get:
Dumba
Lyubushkin
Johnston

Andersson would upgrade the Stars' top pair pretty heavily and upgrade their second pair by having Lindell and Harley off the top pair. Removing Dumba and Lyubushkin allows for Lundkvist and Bichsel to be a cheap, young 3rd pair.

Zary would replace Johnston in the middle 6 but for less $$. Hintz, Seguin, Duchene, and Bourque give the Stars the C depth to let Johnston go and Zary can be set up to replace Seguin.

Pospisil gives cheap depth to the Stars with that agitator edge that can really help in the playoffs. He likely does the job better than Benn.

Stars end up with enough cap space to carry a full 23 player roster and make deadline deals to try and win the cup this year.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1940852671680004386

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