[News] LeBrun/Dreger - Flames open for Business

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

So you honestly think there's a GM in the league that would take Markstrom (and his $16.5 million owed) off our hands for nothing?

No - they will send a bad contract back as part of the deal .

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Add Holloway

I’m sure any trade for a goalie will require taking Soup back.

To Edm
Markstrom ($1MM retained)

To Calgary
2024 1st
2025 1st
Holloway
Broberg
Campbell

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

So you honestly think there's a GM in the league that would take Markstrom (and his $16.5 million owed) off our hands for nothing?

There are GMs that would trade us assets for him, yes.

My last post on this topic

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I’m sure any trade for a goalie will require taking Soup back.

To Edm
Markstrom ($1MM retained)

To Calgary
2024 1st
2025 1st
Holloway
Broberg
Campbell

I would take Campbell, to get those assets,.no problem

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I’m sure any trade for a goalie will require taking Soup back.

I don't agree. Oil is in win now and by now, I mean this year.

Further I don't think the Flames wouldn't make that deal

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would take Campbell, to get those assets,.no problem

He’d be invincible not ever having to face the Oilers again. He’d flatter their defence no doubt. And Oilers have to win now or next year. It’s almost to too perfect a solution, to actually happen.

And trading with a division rival would justify the overspend.

(Plus it would make their next rebuild in two years from now much longer)

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I’m sure any trade for a goalie will require taking Soup back.

To Edm
Markstrom ($1MM retained)

To Calgary
2024 1st
2025 1st
Holloway
Broberg
Campbell

I'd do a single 1st and Campbell for Markstrom

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd do a single 1st and Campbell for Markstrom

Glad you're not the GM!

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd do a single 1st and Campbell for Markstrom

Would want more than just their first round pick. Have to account for the salary dump that is Campbell and for the fact that you are helping a division rival that is on the verge of imploding. That’s why the first proposal of this trade is what I would expect. It has to be a massive overpay by the oilers because this has the potential to save their season. Even then… it would only be considered a win for the flames if the oilers continued to flounder after the trade.

Cost for the flames to take on Campbell: 2024 oilers’ first round pick
Cost for the flames to give Markstrom to the oilers: 2025 oilers’ first round pick
Cost for the flames to help their most hated rival: Holloway + Broberg

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd do a single 1st and Campbell for Markstrom

If the 1st is this year's and unprotected and they throw in another asset like Holloway to offset Campbell then yes. Not even Markstrom playing lights out can save the Oilers but I want another big asset for Jack Campbell.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Would want more than just their first round pick. Have to account for the salary dump that is Campbell and for the fact that you are helping a division rival that is on the verge of imploding. That’s why the first proposal of this trade is what I would expect. It has to be a massive overpay by the oilers because this has the potential to save their season. Even then… it would only be considered a win for the flames if the oilers continued to flounder after the trade.

Cost for the flames to take on Campbell: 2024 oilers’ first round pick
Cost for the flames to give Markstrom to the oilers: 2025 oilers’ first round pick
Cost for the flames to help their most hated rival: Holloway + Broberg

Its more than 1 first to take on Campbell’s contract, it’s $15MM plus remaining this yr.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd do a single 1st and Campbell for Markstrom

No way. There is an extra year at a big $5M. Costs more than that to upgrade talent and dump cap.

[stemit14]

It is good to see the flames players that are likely to be traded playing better the last couple weeks. I think Conroy is in a position to be patient and wait for the right deal. Hopefully they all stay healthy and can return some solid picks/prospects. The flames are in a unique situation as most teams usually have 1 or 2 quality players that are UFAs. Even rebuilding teams. The flames have four of them in a year when they are poised to start a rebuild. They should all return good value if they are healthy all the way up to the trade deadline.

Closer to the trade deadline, more teams will be confident in their playoff position and will be ready to trade first and second round picks by then. And it helps the flames that their available players are the ones that are the most coveted for teams wanting to go deep into the playoffs… defencemen and a center.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It is good to see the flames players that are likely to be traded playing better the last couple weeks. I think Conroy is in a position to be patient and wait for the right deal. Hopefully they all stay healthy and can return some solid picks/prospects. The flames are in a unique situation as most teams usually have 1 or 2 quality players that are UFAs. Even rebuilding teams. The flames have four of them in a year when they are poised to start a rebuild. They should all return good value if they are healthy all the way up to the trade deadline.

Closer to the trade deadline, more teams will be confident in their playoff position and will be ready to trade first and second round picks by then. And it helps the flames that their available players are the ones that are the most coveted for teams wanting to go deep into the playoffs… defencemen and a center.

Closer to the deadline more teams are confident they are out of the playoffs too which reduces the number of teams you can trade with. Given that the Flames want to move 4-5 assets, I would prefer Conroy get at least one of the trades done in the next month before Christmas.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Closer to the deadline more teams are confident they are out of the playoffs too which reduces the number of teams you can trade with. Given that the Flames want to move 4-5 assets, I would prefer Conroy get at least one of the trades done in the next month before Christmas.

Good point. It might be one of the top teams in the league that step up early and pay a higher price for one of them. I could see teams like Dallas, Boston, New York, or Florida willing to trade a first round pick at this point.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Closer to the deadline more teams are confident they are out of the playoffs too which reduces the number of teams you can trade with. Given that the Flames want to move 4-5 assets, I would prefer Conroy get at least one of the trades done in the next month before Christmas.

I wonder if Treliving or Alvin will step up for Tanev. He makes the most sense for the Flames to move because he plays a style that he can exit a game with injury at any time. We know Tree likes to get his work done early so I could see something happening there.

[butterfly]

I wonder if Los Angeles would be interested in Tanev. Looking at their roster, though, seems like it would be impossible for them to trade.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'd do a single 1st and Campbell for Markstrom

It cost us a first to dump one year of Monahan’s contract, and he (like Markstrom) was an NHL-calibre player, albeit somewhat overpaid. Campbell is an AHL-calibre player on a long NHL-priced contract. No way I take on that contract without receiving a major asset for every year of the contract. To me, dumping Markstrom’s contract is with less than half the value of taking on Campbell’s.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Some people yes, I think a lot of people laugh at the Norris Trophy voting as it seems to have become more of a who scores the most points versus who is the best overall defenseman. Which is why I said if you value the Norris vote then yes it would be part of the conversation but I think enough people don't that it isn't just a given.

it also is from 2 seasons ago when he was on a different team, not sure how relevant to the point that Weegar is not close to a top 8 defenseman now. That isn't a slight on him I like him, glad we have and want to keep him but the debate for him would start at is he close to a top 20 (which might be a stretch) not top 8.

The question is not whether he is a top-8 defenceman now, but whether he can be. Apparently enough people have been willing to consider him that way that it's not an entirely ridiculous idea; that's all.

As for the Norris voting, it hasn't become that, it's always been that. People were making the exact same complaint in the 1980s. Nothing in hockey is harder to quantify than the defensive contributions of an individual player, and the people who vote on awards don't even try.

[Sandman]

I will keep repeating that we need to rescue Dylan Holloway from that team, until I manifest it into reality. Out long term right now, though.