2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ped

Which is kind of funny, because I don't have any research, but just thinking about it, with some exceptions (Chychurn, for example), the father is usually better.

I would say William Nylander has turned into a better player than his father. Also Keith Tkachuk's kids look pretty good to have similar or better careers than him.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Ped

Which is kind of funny, because I don't have any research, but just thinking about it, with some exceptions (Chychurn, for example), the father is usually better.

Max Domi > Tie
Matthew + Brady Tkachuk = Keith
William Nylander > Michael
Sam Reinhart > Paul
Quinn + Jack Hughes > Jim
Mason Marchment > Bryan
Adam Lowry = Dave

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Max Domi > Tie
Matthew + Brady Tkachuk = Keith
William Nylander > Michael
Sam Reinhart > Paul
Quinn + Jack Hughes > Jim
Mason Marchment > Bryan
Adam Lowry = Dave

Most of the sons of NHLers fade away into obscurity.

Ryan MacInnis < Al MacInnis
Dean Chelios < Chris Chelios
Brandon Sutter < Brent Sutter
Brett Sutter < Darryl Sutter
Eetu Selanne < Teemu Selanne

[GreenLantern2814]

I can go by his stats and some YouTube videos - Tij Iginla looks exactly like his dad on the ice.

Stride, wrist shot, the way he protects the puck, even the way he celebrates. It’s all Jarome.

He’s only 17 years old - he’s got 57 points in 42 games this year if hockeydb is to be believed.

I need to see compelling evidence that the guys ranked between 6-16 top out at better than Jarome Iginla 2.0.

Because I do think his ceiling is his dad or better.

Anyone who was impressed by Matt Tkachuk in Junior should be blown away by Iginla. He’s a way more powerful skater.

[fotze2]

Would be cool to see a comprehensive list. Seems if the dad is a star it is harder to match (which totally makes sense).

Seems the facepunchers have a lot of kids in hockey around these parts, like they have unfinished business. Hordichuk, Lakovic, Mirasty, Tetarenko, Dingman, Paxton Schulte, Brigley, all have kids playing I've seen recently.

I imagine Ridley Grieg will be better than his dad. Jake Sanderson as well.

It's a weirdly high percentage of players with pedigree, genetics plays a role but it is so much more when seeing things behind the scenes.

[Ped]

GOrdie Howe better than his sons
Jeff Beukeboom> Brock
Peter Stastny > Paul or Yan
Dave Gagner > Sam
Keith Acton > Will
Brent Ashton > Carter
Brian Bellows > Kiefer
Brian Benning > Matt
Ray Bourque > Chris or Ryan
Jeff Brown > Logan...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ons_in_the_NHL


Maybe if it was true it's starting to change

[flylock shox]

Has anyone run the numbers on Tij vs his old man at the same age?

It would be interesting to see if they're trending similarly.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Has anyone run the numbers on Tij vs his old man at the same age?

It would be interesting to see if they're trending similarly.

Iggy’s Junior career:

16: 29 points in 48 games
17: 71 points in 72 games
18: 136 points in 63 games

Tij:

16: 18 points in 48 games
17: 57 points in 42

Tij is ahead.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Max Domi > Tie
Matthew + Brady Tkachuk = Keith
William Nylander > Michael
Sam Reinhart > Paul
Quinn + Jack Hughes > Jim
Mason Marchment > Bryan
Adam Lowry = Dave

You obviously never saw Paul Reinhart play.

Lots of dads are better. Flames connections:

Frank Musil > David
Bob Nystrom > Eric
old Sutters > their kids
Rob Ramage > Colin
Kent Nilsson >>>> Robert NIlsson
Stephane Matteau > Stefan
Al MacInnis > Ryan
Cliff Fletcher > Chuck
Jan Erixon >>>>>>> Tim

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Iggy’s Junior career:

16: 29 points in 48 games
17: 71 points in 72 games
18: 136 points in 63 games

Tij:

16: 18 points in 48 games
17: 57 points in 42

Tij is ahead.

Sure, he's ahead at 17, but his dad had a HUGE jump at 18, going from 1.0 PPG to 2.16 PPG. Dad also turned into one of the best players of his time - that included work ethic, toughness, leadership, and drive, on top of the talent. Assuming that the son will excel as much in all those areas, is... optimistic. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You obviously never saw Paul Reinhart play.

Lots of dads are better. Flames connections:

Frank Musil > David
Bob Nystrom > Eric
old Sutters > their kids
Rob Ramage > Colin
Kent Nilsson >>>> Robert NIlsson
Stephane Matteau > Stefan
Al MacInnis > Ryan
Cliff Fletcher > Chuck
Jan Erixon >>>>>>> Tim

Paul was good but I think Sam has to be considered better, no? Weird their numbers are very similar right now.

Paul: 648 Games 560 Points (Dman)
Sam: 663 games, 506 points.

Can't remember if Paul had injuries or what?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sure, he's ahead at 17, but his dad had a HUGE jump at 18, going from 1.0 PPG to 2.16 PPG. Dad also turned into one of the best players of his time - that included work ethic, toughness, leadership, and drive, on top of the talent. Assuming that the son will excel as much in all those areas, is... optimistic. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

Tij has been soaking up everything his dad has taught him since before he could stand on skates.

Watch his tape. It’s uncanny how much Tij moves like Jarome.

Tij is a 1.35 PPG player a year ahead of his dad, and his dad went 11th - he doesn’t need to have a 2.0 PPG season his D+1 year. Jarome played on a 2x Memorial Cup winner.

I’m not saying draft the kid top-5 or top-3, but anywhere from that 6-16 range, don’t over think it if he’s there. He’s an elite prospect, and the benefits of having even 80% of a second Iggy are too great to pass up.

He looks like Matt Tkachuk, but smoother and faster. With better hands and a better shot.

And I firmly disagree with the notion it would be a bad thing for Tij to play here. This team plays its best when the dads are around.

Tij’s dad is the special assistant to the GM.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Max Domi > Tie
Matthew + Brady Tkachuk = Keith
William Nylander > Michael
Sam Reinhart > Paul
Quinn + Jack Hughes > Jim
Mason Marchment > Bryan
Adam Lowry = Dave

Paul Reinhart was better than all his kids except for maybe Sam
Michael was also better than Alex but William is looking to be better than his dad now
I also don’t know if Mason and Adam are that much better than their dads who played 1000 games

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Tij has been soaking up everything his dad has taught him since before he could stand on skates.

Watch his tape. It’s uncanny how much Tij moves like Jarome.

Tij is a 1.35 PPG player a year ahead of his dad, and his dad went 11th - he doesn’t need to have a 2.0 PPG season his D+1 year. Jarome played on a 2x Memorial Cup winner.

I’m not saying draft the kid top-5 or top-3, but anywhere from that 6-16 range, don’t over think it if he’s there. He’s an elite prospect, and the benefits of having even 80% of a second Iggy are too great to pass up.

He looks like Matt Tkachuk, but smoother and faster. With better hands and a better shot.

And I firmly disagree with the notion it would be a bad thing for Tij to play here. This team plays its best when the dads are around.

Tij’s dad is the special assistant to the GM.

Teams that fail to draft elite centres and dmen don’t win cups
Indeed don’t over think it. Get a center or d

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Paul was good but I think Sam has to be considered better, no? Weird their numbers are very similar right now.

Paul: 648 Games 560 Points (Dman)
Sam: 663 games, 506 points.

Can't remember if Paul had injuries or what?

He hurted his back and had to retire

He was an all star and got selected to Canada cup team a couple times

Sam is having a career year now before that I would pick Paul easily


Btw, Paul was a dman but higher scoring back then. Some dude named Gretzky got over 200 pts lol

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Paul was good but I think Sam has to be considered better, no? Weird their numbers are very similar right now.

Paul: 648 Games 560 Points (Dman)
Sam: 663 games, 506 points.

Can't remember if Paul had injuries or what?

Paul had a wonky back. Also, he was really only a D on paper. I even seem to remember him playing RW for a few games or so somwhere... can't remember if it was here or in Van (or if that was just a myth started from the fact he played more like a RW than a D).

[Calgary4LIfe]

Paul did play as a forward sometimes. He was a very good offensive D though, and I would have him ahead of any of his kids. Maybe in time, Sam will pass Paul, but as of now, I would rank Paul Reinhart as the best one so far. IIRC, he did play a lot more wing in Vancouver. He always had a bad back (so can you imagine his numbers if he didn't?), and he invested in a penny stocks as a player. He hit gold on a few, and retired. Now he is an investment specialist of some sort or other (or was after he retired - not sure if he still is or not). I will always like Paul Reinhart - entertaining when he was here, and I always felt bad that he and Berezan were gone when this team finally won the cup.



Max vs Tie is a weird one for me. Max definitely had a few seasons in which he produced well. However, is it just me, or is this a rather 'forgettable' player who 99% of people probably won't remember 5 years after he retires? Domi became a bit of an icon at least, and all 5'10" of him went toe-to-toe against guys who would crush Lucic and Reaves today, plus he did put up some points, having a 15 goal season in the duck-puck era too (2002-03). Yeah, Max is probably the better player, but will be forgotten, whereas it certainly feels like Tie Domi will be remembered by the game for a lot longer.



As a side-note, Ryan Lomberg is the modern day Domi. 5'9", and fights out of his weight class all the time, and is a really difficult player to play against. Even has the oversized Domi head. I still remember him beating Kassian that one game. What a beauty.

[TheScorpion]

I would say the vast majority of NHL players are far better than their fathers, most of whom played in the NHL.

But then again, a lot of NHL players go on to have sons who do not play in the NHL.

I dunno, I'm just saying words.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Moneypuck has the flames at 3.1% to get 1st overall now.

Nope, 0%, Blackhawks will be getting it again as the NHL wants their original 6 team back at the top of the standings.

[Sandman]

More Draft Thoughts (few more RHD to consider):

There were many fans of Finland Hockey that were upset to see 6'2",180lb RHD Sebastian Soini left off the Hlinka roster, after all- he's been considered one of the top defensemen in his age group for a few years now. Even without a trip to that tournament, Soini has been busy enough this season with stops in Ilves' U18, and U20 leagues, and even a cup of tea with the top men's Liiga, with the longest stretch being on loan to Koovee of the Mestis- Finland's second tier, with 4 points in 23 games. Despite being amongst the youngest prospects in the upcoming draft with a June 10th birthday, he has looked solid, if not spectacular against men in limited ice-time.
Soini is a stalwart in the D zone, and is poised and patient with advance anticipation and awareness, proactive positioning, and airtight gap control. He will use his size and reach to break up plays, but has a fair amount of 1-on-1 skill, and is also a fearless shot-blocker. Soini's puck-movement game starts with his picturesque retrievals, and his ability to seamlessly convert the defense to offense with crisp, tape-to-tape breakout passes. He may not be a burner, but he's a smooth skater with 4-directional mobility and excellent balance and agility. He has the edges to pivot away from attackers, the east-west to get into lanes and block passes, and the backwards smoothness to maintain gaps. Soini will battle along the boards for posession, and uses his body to shield the puck, while also keeping the crease clean and tidy. He makes good decisions with the puck, particularly when making the first-pass, but has the skill and vision to pull off some high-end plays. Like most Europeans, he exhibits good puckhandling and control, and has built-in deception in his feet and stick to fool defenders, and beat them in one-on-one confrontations.
In 2022-23, Soini was the 7th highest scoring U-18 defenseman in the U20 league, at the tender age of 16, with 10 points in 28 games. It's hard to gauge his offense this season, as he's spent most of his time in a men's league, where youngsters like him are typically not given the ice-time or responsibility needed to put up numbers, but those stats suggest that the potential is there. In the Mestis, there are only currently 5 players under the age of 18 that have played there, and Soini has played the most games by far on that list, and is second in scoring to LW Ondrej Kos. Soini has a strong point shot, can find the passing lanes in the offensive zone, and has shown the ability to make smart pinches in the past. He needs to get stronger, and keep working on his speed, but I think he'll he be a middle-pairing D someday in the NHL. 2nd/3rd round.

Czech-born RHD Dominik Badinka moved from Finland to Sweden before the season started, and the 6'3",183lb rearguard started his journey in Malmo by dominating the J20 league, with 12 points in 15 games to go with 39 PIM. Since then, he's been up in the top men's league, the SHL, and has only 1 point in 23 games in limited deployment and ice-time. Despite his age, he's reportedly looked quite good against men in the defensive zone. In Finland, in 2022-23, he was 13th in D scoring in the U20 league for Jokerit, 1st for players under-18, with 26 points in 43 games. He followed up his Finnish experience with a trip to the Hlinka Gretzky for Czechia, and scored 2 points in 5 games. Not a lot of defensemen get 0.80 ppg in their draft year in the J20- that mark puts him in the same stratoshere as Sahlin-Wallenius (.85), Radivojevic (.85), and Freij (.81). The only draft-eligible defenseman from that league to eclipse that mark from last year's draft was Sandin-Pelikka (1.16). Badinka is an older player in this draft, with a Nov.27th birthday.
This is a highly intelligent player, able to think ahead due to his acute anticipation in all 3 zones. He knows where to be to block plays, intercept passes, and cut off lanes- he's excellent defending the rush as well. He makes a big physical contribution, dominates along the walls, and is a bulldozer in the crease. He exhibits strong stick positioning, and well-timed poke-checks. Badinka is very mobile for his size, with fantastic 4-way manouverability, and is hard to knock off the puck with his size and balance. He can rapidly turn the play around to offense with his puck-retrieval ability, and can play the puck out of danger while under pressure with accurate breakout passes- or he can opt to carry it up the ice himself with his puckhandling. On his way through transition, he can also embarrass would-be checkers with his fine array of 1-on-1 moves and deception. He will stay high and run the point more often than not, but he will jump in to act as an extra forward off the rush, or pinch down low if the opportunity presents itself. He has an above-average point shot, and soft hands around the net, and can QB a powerplay. He's like a heat-seeking missile, always looking to assert himself physically, but they say he needs to pick his spots a lot better as he can sometimes blow plays looking to engage opponents. The same can said for his decision-making from time-to-time- he doesn't always see the best option, and should keep things simple. This kid is a very underrated player who is flying under the radar, but I'm betting he's taken in the first part of the second round.