If it imploded, would it flatten like a pancake? Or crumble into a million pieces?
I would assume both? Certain components would crush or burst but stay together from the rapid change in pressure differential and other components might shatter into many pieces from this rapid change and some won't be changed at all. I don't know for certain, but I believe crushing things by a few tons of pressure vs a few tons of a solid object is different.
I'm assuming it'd look relatively like a submarine that got into an accident due to rapid but different pressures in different areas by micro second differentials. I wouldn't assume it would look like a flat pancake that rapidly got mashed by hundreds of tons of weight.
And some of the exterior parts like the ballast and the base wouldn't have been subjected to any change in pressure at all, so they might be relatively intact.
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Common to the entirety of Triton’s fleet is third-party attestation to the integrity of the design and build by a recognised international Classification Society. For Triton, the Limiting Factor could be no exception and although the process is expensive, arduous and time-consuming, it is the best guarantee that a submersible has been developed thoughtfully, carefully and with engineering rigour.
Commercial certification also provides the gold standard for vessel safety. It allows the sub to be insured by standard maritime agents and should give peace of mind to any sub passengers that they will be as safe in their dives as on any other commercially-rated vessel.
On completion of the fifth and final deep dive, DNV-GL will certify the Limiting Factor for repeatable dives to full ocean depth.
The Limiting Factor features multiple, fully redundant methods of returning to the surface. The primary methods do not require any electrical power, while others do. This provides for emergency ascent conditions in every possible submarine power state. It should be noted that the sub has twelve separate batteries and in the case of no electrical power availability, the main ballast weights are designed to release for immediate emergency ascent.
So this is really just a case of pure negligence by Rush and OceanGate? Couldn’t be bothered to be concerned about the hull integrity after repeated dives. They were warned about it.
So this is really just a case of pure negligence by Rush and OceanGate? Couldn’t be bothered to be concerned about the hull integrity after repeated dives. They were warned about it.
Weightlessness would be amazing, though. Plus a view of the earth? View of the stars? Looking at the moon? IDK, dude...hard to think of space as uninteresting and I'm not even a space guy.
But that's what I mean, after that initial 'awe' phase it's like... now what. If we had cool Star Trek spaceships and transporters and could fly places and explore things, of course it would be amazing. As it is, the only thing there really is to do there is get home as soon as possible before it finds a way to kill you.
I think it just comes down to individual preferences/values. If people are going to make fun of my death, I'd rather it occur in space instead of at the bottom of the ocean.
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lol at philanthropy. Dude, one human being isn't so valuable that he should be able to accrue billions, anyway. He gives a bunch of it away? Well he ####ing should, so I'm not going to pat him on the back for that. Say you wanted three mansions, 10 cars, a yaht and a private plane. You've still only spent like $200 million of that. Life isn't long enough to spend billions of dollars. You literally have to give it away.
You nailed it, Comrade. All wealth should be equally shared among all people, amirite?
Otherwise, I'm with the vast majority - play stupid games and all that.
But that's what I mean, after that initial 'awe' phase it's like... now what. If we had cool Star Trek spaceships and transporters and could fly places and explore things, of course it would be amazing. As it is, the only thing there really is to do there is get home as soon as possible before it finds a way to kill you.
I dunno, I'd challenge you to find accounts from any astronauts that echo that sentiment. It seems the opposite, from what I've heard.
You nailed it, Comrade. All wealth should be equally shared among all people, amirite?
I think the point is more that when someone has what is effectively an endless resource that they can never really use themselves, giving a bit of it away isn't particularly noteworthy or admirable. It'd be like a normal person patting themselves on the back because they gave someone visiting their house a glass of water.
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If this is in fact the Titan, it will be interesting to see if the debris area is spread over a large area or concentrated in one area. It will give an indication of whether the thing imploded at the bottom or mid water column somewhere.
When the banging sounds were reported, it was originally also reported that an "implosion" sound was heard, but the coast guard denied both claims. Later they came out and admitted that they heard banging sounds. It makes me wonder if the second part was true but they didn't want to jump to that conclusion for the sake of the families.
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You nailed it, Comrade. All wealth should be equally shared among all people, amirite?
Otherwise, I'm with the vast majority - play stupid games and all that.
I know communism doesn't work and I know why, but the philosophy behind it certainly isn't evil.
I like capitalism, but I'm very supportive of punitive tax brackets to prevent extreme wealth and extreme wealth hoarding. Play with these numbers however you want, but let's call over $1 million/year in a 50% tax bracket and over $2 million a year in a 70% tax bracket, and anything over $5 million a year in a 90% tax bracket or something. You'd still have incentive to get rich, but after a certain point there's just no point in making more and you start sharing that wealth.
Or throw in a death tax for estates worth over $100 million or something. That allows you to get and enjoy extreme wealth, pass down extreme wealth, but once you die everything over $100 million is taxed at 90% and goes into the public purse. That's a far cry from putting everyone in a tenement and making them buy a Lada.
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But that's what I mean, after that initial 'awe' phase it's like... now what. If we had cool Star Trek spaceships and transporters and could fly places and explore things, of course it would be amazing. As it is, the only thing there really is to do there is get home as soon as possible before it finds a way to kill you.
That's when you start the bangin'.
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You nailed it, Comrade. All wealth should be equally shared among all people, amirite?
I think what sliver is getting at is that a person going from having $1B to $2B isn’t likely to make much of a material difference in that individual’s life but that extra billion spent on social programs and/or given as additional wages to the people who are making them that money would have a far greater direct positive impact than millions of dollars in charitable donations where you’d be lucky if even a third of that money actually went directly to those in need.
Edit- sliver responded while I was typing this
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I know communism doesn't work and I know why, but the philosophy behind it certainly isn't evil.
I like capitalism, but I'm very supportive of punitive tax brackets to prevent extreme wealth and extreme wealth hoarding. Play with these numbers however you want, but let's call over $1 million/year in a 50% tax bracket and over $2 million a year in a 70% tax bracket, and anything over $5 million a year in a 90% tax bracket or something. You'd still have incentive to get rich, but after a certain point there's just no point in making more and you start sharing that wealth.
Or throw in a death tax for estates worth over $100 million or something. That allows you to get and enjoy extreme wealth, pass down extreme wealth, but once you die everything over $100 million is taxed at 90% and goes into the public purse. That's a far cry from putting everyone in a tenement and making them buy a Lada.
That's when you start the bangin'.
Yep. Nothing wrong with striving to be a millionaire, and you should be able to setup your family to live comfortably without the worry of money if you're able to. But billionaires should not exist, there is zero reason or need for them
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I dunno, I'd challenge you to find accounts from any astronauts that echo that sentiment. It seems the opposite, from what I've heard.
My parallel, and it might be a bit tenuous, is scuba diving. After the first few times it did not get old. It did not get boring or mundane. Every dive is different and every dive I see something different. Even visiting the same dive resort and doing some dives sites dozens of times it hasn’t gotten old. Again, there is something different to see or the same thing to see but the excitement of “is that seahorse still there?” or “I haven’t been here in a year, has this shipwreck changed?” I would imagine for an astronaut visiting The ISS there are new things for them to see daily or even hourly. Seeing storms on the earth would be cool, seeing different parts of the earth at night, how landscapes change, all that stuff would continue to be fascinating.
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Now we have to figure out who was trying to communicate with us from the bottom of the ocean with banging every half hour. Someone still on the titanic?
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