2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'd rather trade Mangiapane for a good young Dman than get picks in what's projected to be a weak draft.

Any Mangiapane offer sheet is for the 2023 draft.

If a team wants to give us an unprotected 1st and more for the 2023 draft I'd be all over it.

Never know what happens and any extra lottery tickets towards Bedard or Michkov would be great. The top 10 next year actually looks pretty impressive already.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Any Mangiapane offer sheet is for the 2023 draft.

If a team wants to give us an unprotected 1st and more for the 2023 draft I'd be all over it.

Never know what happens and any extra lottery tickets towards Bedard or Michkov would be great. The top 10 next year actually looks pretty impressive already.

Ya, if it was this years draft I wouldn’t be happy about it. Next years is a different story.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

No, they would not be that dumb. JVR would probably garner at least a 3rd rd pick on the trade market; ergo JVR alone would be sufficient value for Johnny's rights (probably including the 8th year).

While JVR would be a decent stopgap and probably net a better return at TDL, the Flames still couldn't really afford him + Matty + Mangi (without dumping Lucic or running every other empty slot at league min.).

If the Flyers could trade JVR for a 3rd they would have done so already. He has a big ticket contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Why is the 8th year worth two first-round picks? This is getting silly.

It’s also sole bargaining rights. And to get away from the JVR contract.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s also sole bargaining rights. And to get away from the JVR contract.

Why is Seattle giving up a 1st in this deal?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Why is Seattle giving up a 1st in this deal?

For the pleasure of having JVR. OK, we have to take that part it out. They have to give up something to make it a real trade. Whatever they were going to give Philly.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

For the pleasure of having JVR. OK, we have to take that part it out. They have to give up something to make it a real trade. Whatever they were going to give Philly.

Given JVR's age and contract, and Seattle's current position, I'd say he has negative value to the Kraken. I suppose they could flip him to a third party, but in that case, why doesn't Philly just trade with the third party directly?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If the Flyers could trade JVR for a 3rd they would have done so already. He has a big ticket contract.

Not necessarily. He is one of many possible dominoes in their plans. He'll also become slightly more valuable tomorrow when his $1M SB is paid, leaving only $4M salary.

I'd venture he might fetch a 3rd+5th right now.

If playing well at TDL it could be more like a 2nd+4th. If he's mediocre then similar to present value. If he's injured then nothing.

PHI might already have deal(s) lined up that are waiting for tomorrow, or more likely until PHI can consummate their other desired moves. If their plans don't come to fruition, they keep JVR to potentially sell at TDL.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Given JVR's age and contract, and Seattle's current position, I'd say he has negative value to the Kraken. I suppose they could flip him to a third party, but in that case, why doesn't Philly just trade with the third party directly?

Because Philly wants the 8 years of JG and has no present guarantee of JG assuming they make room.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because Philly wants the 8 years of JG and has no present guarantee of JG assuming they make room.

So how does including Seattle in the trade help them?

[Vinny01]

More rumors out there:

Friedman says the Bolts are working with McDonagh to find a trade that works for him and frees up cap space

Weekes says there are rumors Krejci is returning to Boston next year

[shutout]

Assuming that the signing rights for Gaudreau are worth a third round pick.

Assuming that in the league a $7M cap hit Van Riemsdyk has to go with a third round pick to move the contract out to the Coyotes.

The result for the Flames would be the value of two high third round picks and a late second round pick for the #5 overall pick. Which might not quite be fair value.

[powderjunkie]

I wonder if SEA tries to move up in the draft? They need a cornerstone forward more than a D they are likely to get at 4. A future RHD might be a much better fit for NJD.

Something like:
4+35+49 for 2+70
or
4+Dunn for 2+Siegenthaler

[shutout]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Not necessarily. He is one of many possible dominoes in their plans. He'll also become slightly more valuable tomorrow when his $1M SB is paid, leaving only $4M salary.

I'd venture he might fetch a 3rd+5th right now.

If playing well at TDL it could be more like a 2nd+4th. If he's mediocre then similar to present value. If he's injured then nothing.

PHI might already have deal(s) lined up that are waiting for tomorrow, or more likely until PHI can consummate their other desired moves. If their plans don't come to fruition, they keep JVR to potentially sell at TDL.

If JVR has value of a 3rd and 5th than I would think that Monahan has value of at least a 4th. Maybe a 3rd if the Flames retain some of the cap hit.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I wonder if SEA tries to move up in the draft? They need a cornerstone forward more than a D they are likely to get at 4. A future RHD might be a much better fit for NJD.

Something like:
4+35+49 for 2+70
or
4+Dunn for 2+Siegenthaler

Well they need both really. At this stage they need to fill the cupboards so I don't think they should be giving up picks to move up.
They need a #1 dman as much as a top line forward.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I wonder if SEA tries to move up in the draft? They need a cornerstone forward more than a D they are likely to get at 4.

At this point, the Kraken need any kind of assets they can get. They have an excellent chance of drafting that cornerstone forward next year. And since defencemen (Makar notwithstanding) still usually take longer than forwards to develop, they might as well stock up on D now and forwards later.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by shutout

Assuming that the signing rights for Gaudreau are worth a third round pick.

Assuming that in the league a $7M cap hit Van Riemsdyk has to go with a third round pick to move the contract out to the Coyotes.

The result for the Flames would be the value of two high third round picks and a late second round pick for the #5 overall pick. Which might not quite be fair value.

JVR scored 24 goals last year. 81 players scored more.

72nd most over 2 years.
65th over 3
60th over 4
38th over 5

He's probably worth a $5M AAV right now. With his cheap actual cash it's not sweetener territory.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

JVR scored 24 goals last year. 81 players scored more.

72nd most over 2 years.
65th over 3
60th over 4
38th over 5

He's probably worth a $5M AAV right now. With his cheap actual cash it's not sweetener territory.

Any team looking to dump a $7M AAV for a 33 year old is likely going to have to pay an asset if they are not willing to take cap back. Maybe Seattle but I think they have better options out there. If they do it I see it being after the dust has settled for free agency.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well they need both really. At this stage they need to fill the cupboards so I don't think they should be giving up picks to move up.
They need a #1 dman as much as a top line forward.

That's fair - from the little I read about the two D-men likely to go 4&5 I'm not sure either project to be dynamic #1's, but rather high probability solid 2-way D (e.g. Hanifin). Which of course every team needs, but it just makes a little more sense for each side to me.

SEA has three extra 2nds and two extra 4ths on top of all their own picks.

How about something like:
2+37+102 for 4+35+61

I don't think it's a great idea to draft for fit, but RHD is a long-term deficiency for NJD, especially if they can't re-sign Severson.

Originally Posted by shutout

If JVR has value of a 3rd and 5th than I would think that Monahan has value of at least a 4th. Maybe a 3rd if the Flames retain some of the cap hit.

That's exactly what I thought about Monahan before his injury. Harder to say now, but I think the expiring term makes these guys appealing gambles. If the 3rd rd pick is made conditional then it can make lots of sense.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

JVR scored 24 goals last year. 81 players scored more.

72nd most over 2 years.
65th over 3
60th over 4
38th over 5

He's probably worth a $5M AAV right now. With his cheap actual cash it's not sweetener territory.

In an era where cap is King, it's not that easy dumping cap unless its premium. Just not much demand for it. And tons of supply.