[News] UPD: VGK/ANA Dadonov deal voided by the NHL

[Roof-Daddy]

I can't believe people out there are still defending this LTIR crap haha

[Buff]

Just because they attempted to trade Dadonov at the deadline doesn't mean that they had a player ready to come back off of IR. There was still 6 weeks of regular season left. They had to make a move on that day and if somebody came back before the playoffs then they would be stuck. It was a pre-emptive move. Until they actually get stuck and try to do something untoward lets try to look at things with level heads.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I can't believe people out there are still defending this LTIR crap haha

Defending what "crap"?

What guys are not injured?

Like, the only way that they could be doing anything nefarious is by having guys who are ready to play but aren't. (Martinez is the only guy i can find anything about who may be close but again...concussion stuff)

Which ones are they?

Otherwise they are only hurting themselves and, again, are looking likely to miss the playoffs. In what world does that make a lick of sense?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Defending what "crap"?

What guys are not injured?

Like, the only way that they could be doing anything nefarious is by having guys who are ready to play but aren't. (Martinez is the only guy i can find anything about who may be close but again...concussion stuff)

Which ones are they?

Otherwise they are only hurting themselves and, again, are looking likely to miss the playoffs. In what world does that make a lick of sense?

In the world of “every other team gets an advantage that the flames don’t have access to!!!”

The twisted viewpoint of the perpetual complainer.

[Roof-Daddy]

Haha. Yeah nothing to see here. Just rotating LTIR players until the playoffs come and suddenly everyone is healthy.

Luckily it appears to be backfiring on them and they might just miss the playoffs.

Well luckily except for the fact their collapse is going to gift the garbage oilers a playoff spot instead.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I can't believe people out there are still defending this LTIR crap haha

There is a huge difference between "defending this LTIR crap" and refusing to buy into the conspiracy of Vegas gaming the system. Yes, there needs to be a better approach to handling LTIR and it's salary cap implications, especially for the playoffs. But VGK has endured real and significant injuries that warranted the legitimate usage of LTIR. Some of us agree that the system needs to be fixed, while also recognizing that for a team like VGK having your best player, your starting goaltender and one of your top defensemen out of the lineup for a significant amount of time is NEVER part of the plan.

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha. Yeah nothing to see here. Just rotating LTIR players until the playoffs come and suddenly everyone is healthy.

Luckily it appears to be backfiring on them and they might just miss the playoffs.

Well luckily except for the fact their collapse is going to gift the garbage oilers a playoff spot instead.

Almost nobody is healthy during the playoffs, and rarely miss time. It’s almost as if the games are really important or something.

[manwiches]

The good thing about Edmon-suck making the playoffs, is hopefully they match w the runaway truck that Colorado will be on them

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by manwiches

The good thing about Edmon-suck making the playoffs, is hopefully they match w the runaway truck that Colorado will be on them

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There is almost no chance that Edmonton will play Colorado in the playoffs. At this point it looks like there will be only three Pacific Division teams in tbe post season, which means that if Edmonton makes it it will be as the #2/3 seed, playing the other #2/3 seed.

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[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by manwiches

The good thing about Edmon-suck making the playoffs, is hopefully they match w the runaway truck that Colorado will be on them

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Not without Vegas or Vancouver finishing ahead of them.

[Sylvanfan]

I do think Kelly McCrimmon has got in over his head a bit. He manages his team like a fantasy team where as soon as someone is available he falls all over himself to go out and get that player, and forgets that he has to move another to balance things out. He can't seem to resist the urge of the shiny new toy.

At least with the LTIR, it's not like you can change out the bodies on a daily basis. So Reilly Smith who has been out of the lineup since the 8th of March is injured and not playing does at least seem to legitimately be injured. Now that he's on IR, he's likely not going to be activated again this season.

It opens up space for them to Activate a guy like Martinez, but I don't think it's enough to get Stone back in the lineup which is likely why they tried to free up the other 3.3 or so by moving out Dadonov. They're down to only 15 games left albeit a pretty cupcake schedule as only 5 of those teams are currently in the playoffs, and Dallas and Edmonton are two of those. Still they still have a lot of key guys not playing on a nightly basis, and it's not like Reilly Smith coming out of their lineup is like the Flames taking Monahan out of theirs. This does take a productive player out of their lineup. Even if they can finish out at 11-4 in their final 15 games that gets them to the benchmark of the Snake a 225 point increase on their current point percentage...Dallas, Edmonton, and Los Angeles would all finish higher than that if they continue at their current point percentage.

[Bingo]

The stakes are too high to excuse Vegas from any fault because Ottawa bumbled something.

They had the player, all you had to do is look up said player and cap friendly and see he has a ntc, so it's just silliness not to approach the agent for clarification before you get to the trade deadline since the organization needed to move out a contract in order to effectively Kucherov the West for a playoff run.

Not doing so put them in jeopardy. Why would they just hope that what Ottawa told them was true?

Ottawa looks to have botched this from all reports but that doesn't make Vegas not doing due diligence a huge mistake as well.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There is a huge difference between "defending this LTIR crap" and refusing to buy into the conspiracy of Vegas gaming the system. Yes, there needs to be a better approach to handling LTIR and it's salary cap implications, especially for the playoffs. But VGK has endured real and significant injuries that warranted the legitimate usage of LTIR. Some of us agree that the system needs to be fixed, while also recognizing that for a team like VGK having your best player, your starting goaltender and one of your top defensemen out of the lineup for a significant amount of time is NEVER part of the plan.

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Their plan was LTIR though, GM even said it when they acquired Eichel. Martinez has been in full practices in January...if not for cap he would have at least tried to play by now. They didn try and give away Dadonov to play even more short handed for another week or two.

[getbak]

Well, Martinez is playing his first game since early November today. After one period, he has the lowest ice time of all the Golden Knights' defence.

[dino7c]

Amazing that he was recovered enough to play the second they had cap space

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Amazing that he was recovered enough to play the second they had cap space

Yeah, it's almost like the trade that was supposed to clear the cap space earlier didn't go through or something.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah, it's almost like the trade that was supposed to clear the cap space earlier didn't go through or something.

Point being you can keep guys on LTIR longer than needed if you have to which is basically my only argument.

Vegas has 100M payroll and made no efforts to be cap compliant. If the Dadonov trade went trough another guy would be back today IMO.

I never said they are breaking the rules, just that the rules need to be changed because GMs will take advantage.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Their plan was LTIR though, GM even said it when they acquired Eichel.

Yes, but on the basis that there were already players in the lineup that were dealing with injuries, and the realistic expectation that they would not be alone moving forward.

Martinez has been in full practices in January...if not for cap he would have at least tried to play by now.

How do you know this? We can see clearly enough that Martinez has been cleared for practices for a long time now, but without all the details there is just no way to know what his condition is currently, and whether or not he has been good to go yet.

They didn try and give away Dadonov to play even more short handed for another week or two.

Well, duh.

But we also know that the TD was pretty much VGK's deadline for moving him, regardless of the timetables for returning players from LTIR. They made the move when they did in the anticipation that players would be ready AT SOME POINT before the end of the regular season. This is not "gaming the system," nor nefariously taking advantage of ambiguities or loopholes. This is just the sensible thing to do, and unfortunately for Vegas (and only Vegas) the cap-crunch they created for themselves through the Eichel acquisition is blowing up in their hands.

The bottom line here is that it was foolish for them to attempt to work Eichel in around injuries to other players, and this is now destroying g their season. The fact that this is happening actually shows that the system does work to an extent. Yes, there are some changes that need to be made, but by and large no one is getting away with anything.

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[dino7c]

They aren't about to change the rules because nobody was abusing them. It's not rocket appliances to see what they were trying to do. Glad it's going to blow up in their faces, they should have never been allowed to acquire Eichel without moving more cap anyway.

Disagree if you wish

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They aren't about to change the rules because nobody was abusing them. It's not rocket appliances to see what they were trying to do.

Yeah, but it is also not rocket appliances to see that it was almost certainly never going to work. VGK was always going to need to pay the freight on the Eichel trade.

Glad it's going to blow up in their faces, they should have never been allowed to acquire Eichel without moving more cap anyway.

Disagree if you wish

No one is feeling sorry for VGK. My only contention is with how the facts about what have happened have been exaggerated by some posters.


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