LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Why? Just another Dinosaur.

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Edler’s a solid left-handed defencemen. He’d be inexpensive, both in terms of assets (0) and in terms of contract. It’s realistic the Flames could get him. I don’t think Valimaki is ready for regular top-4 minutes.

[1qqaaz]

With Gio gone, the thing the Flames need more than anything is offense from the back end.

With 0 goals and 8 points in 52 games, I'm not sure Eddler is that anymore (although he actually produced well the year before). I'd also be worried about the lack of speed on the back end.

I would prefer him over Stone, and I wouldn't be surprised if Sutter liked him. Always nice to build the Swedish culture.

However, again, I think the priority is an offensive defenseman. The Flames struggled to score this year, especially on the back end. With Gio gone, that gets even worse.
The PP needs a quarterback. Someone who can also shoot and keep it in the zone.
Rasmus Andersson is a decent second unit guy, but it's too much of a gamble to expect him to excel on the first unit.

It could be possible to sign Eddler while also acquiring someone more offensive.
But then there's less room for the top 6 RW hole and a backup spot.
At the same time, Sutter teams tend to just be good defensively. So maybe it's unwise to tie up a lot of the cap on defensemen. Sutter teams struggle to score, so maybe more money should go to the front end.

[Moneyhands23]

If Seattle takes him I would entertain signing Martinez to a 2 year deal and Montour to a 4 year deal. Could get both for Gio's salary the first 2 years.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If Seattle takes him I would entertain signing Martinez to a 2 year deal and Montour to a 4 year deal. Could get both for Gio's salary the first 2 years.

Anything sounds better than Edler. Hes a bum.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Anything sounds better than Edler. Hes a bum.

Your Canucks hate runs deep. This is good

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by cannon7

The whole team was top 2/3 in Corsi. Didn't seem to matter much. May have been the only difference between a slightly below .500 record and complete freefall.



True. But it is clear an elite D pairing does not a winning team make. Even for the stretch they were elite. Do we just blame goaltending?

Sutter may be able to get an underachieving team to play fundamentally sound hockey down the stretch. Didn't translate into a winning record.

When you're listing expected goals and actual goals you're not just talking corsi.

And I was talking about how good the pairing was together, not the team itself.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Chicago 24-25-7 55 pts playing Carolina (80), Florida (79) and Tampa (75)
Calgary 26-27-3 55 pts playing Toronto (77)

Chicago had a better year than the Flames considering they actually were missing 1C and 2C for all but 19 game who were a better 1/2C than any that Calgary has had since 1990-91 when the Flames had Gilmour/Nieuwendyk.

Toews/Dach playing next year anywhere close to their expected level would be a bigger bump than Monahan coming back from his injury much improved.

Also the Hawks getting an actual NHL goalie would be the equivalent to Markstrom playing 10% better and getting back to top-5 level.

I'll say it again ... the Hawks were terrible.

They had 30th level underlying stats.

Quoting records is pointless since my whole point was that the Flames likely had a record that was below their actual play for the most part. You can't make that argument about Chicago.

Tougher division for sure, which makes it a bit apples to oranges, but it doesn't take away my point. The Flames started playing top five hockey under Sutter.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If Seattle takes him I would entertain signing Martinez to a 2 year deal and Montour to a 4 year deal. Could get both for Gio's salary the first 2 years.

Martinez is going to sign for less than he made last year and less than Tanev signed with the Flames? Why? Because he wants to play with the Flames?

Montour signed for 3.85 last yr. Maybe the Flames could sign Valimaki to a Andersson "deal" and have 6 D making 4M +

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'll say it again ... the Hawks were terrible.

They had 30th level underlying stats.

Quoting records is pointless since my whole point was that the Flames likely had a record that was below their actual play for the most part. You can't make that argument about Chicago.

Tougher division for sure, which makes it a bit apples to oranges, but it doesn't take away my point. The Flames started playing top five hockey under Sutter.

Grant you that but they played a lot of games against a slumping Habs team, Ottawa and Vancouver Over Sutter's time the Flame would have the weakest schedule of any team in the league.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Grant you that but they played a lot of games against a slumping Habs team, Ottawa and Vancouver Over Sutter's time the Flame would have the weakest schedule of any team in the league.

Think you need to do the work if you're going to make a statement like that.

From March 9th on the Flames had the weakest schedule?

One easy thing to figure out ... Sutter had 22 of his 32 games against the divisions' playoff teams, so I doubt very much your assertion is correct.

Dig in though!

[Nelson]

Brandon Montour could bring some offence. He hasn’t produced a lot recently, but I think there’s potential.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

If Seattle takes him I would entertain signing Martinez to a 2 year deal and Montour to a 4 year deal. Could get both for Gio's salary the first 2 years.

I’m sure both are just sitting by their phone waiting for Calgary to call. Martinez will get more than two years if he wants.


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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I’m sure both are just sitting by their phone waiting for Calgary to call. Martinez will get more than two years if he wants.


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Martinez is going to get paid. 4x 4.5.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Martinez is going to get paid. 4x 4.5.

Agreed. The Flames wouldn’t be able to get one of the first day forwards if they got Martinez. Just to be clear, I’m fine with that. The rumours around Zach Hyman are terrifying.

[868904]

I think the best thing to do if Gio is claimed is to sign two defensemen.

One an offensive type for the power play, like Gustafsson.

And a big defensive defenseman who can clear out the front of the net and provide some truculence.

I don’t think you need the cream of the UFA crop for this.

I’d shop in the bargain bin.

You don’t want to pay too much because you want guys who are good enough to push Valimaki and Mackey, but not too good who are going to block them if they progress well.

I’d stick to guys who can only command one or two year deals and asking no more than $2 million per year.

I think guys like Gustafsson, Forbert, Demers, Smith, Cole, Hamonic, Bogosian, Chara, Schenn.

Looking at what’s available, there’s lot of defensive guys available to help on the PK, not many on the offensive side.

Might have to spend a bit more on a guy like Gus for the PP and get the best and cheapest of what’s left of the defensive guys.

[Bingo]

I wonder if the Gaudreau talks this week factored into what they're going to do today with the list and with giving up assets to protect him etc.

If that's going well the core itself (as flawed as many of think it is) could be retained if they bring back Gio. If it's not going well they may be staring down a Gaudreau for futures (or at very least a lesser player and futures) and with that just let Giordano go.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think the best thing to do if Gio is claimed is to sign two defensemen.

One an offensive type for the power play, like Gustafsson.

And a big defensive defenseman who can clear out the front of the net and provide some truculence.

I don’t think you need the cream of the UFA crop for this.

I’d shop in the bargain bin.

You don’t want to pay too much because you want guys who are good enough to push Valimaki and Mackey, but not too good who are going to block them if they progress well.

I’d stick to guys who can only command one or two year deals and asking no more than $2 million per year.

I think guys like Gustafsson, Forbert, Demers, Smith, Cole, Hamonic, Bogosian, Chara, Schenn.

Looking at what’s available, there’s lot of defensive guys available to help on the PK, not many on the offensive side.

Might have to spend a bit more on a guy like Gus for the PP and get the best and cheapest of what’s left of the defensive guys.

I have to think of Gio is claimed , flames will be using Monahan as a trade chip to to get some d help.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I have to think of Gio is claimed , flames will be using Monahan as a trade chip to to get some d help.

I'd be okay with that if we land a Hall or Landeskog. We need scoring first in my opinion.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I'd be okay with that if we land a Hall or Landeskog. We need scoring first in my opinion.

Don’t think we have a chance in hell of getting landeskog. I have read rumours that hall will be re-signing with the bruins after expansion. I think “Vinny” made a good post a while back that flames could be looking to make a trade with Seattle after expansion. Seattle is probably going to draft a lot of dmen . Could see something like Bean and another forward castoff for Monahan. Yes underwhelming but could see it. Also Monahan might have some value to teams that miss out on Eichel .

[gvitaly]

I just wanted to throw this tidbit out here as well regarding rebuilding for a cup. The last top 3 pick to win a cup was drafted in 2010(Seguin). Not one of the top 3 draft picks in the last 11 years has won a cup.

There is still merit to getting top 3 picks. In fact, I think that is the option the Flames should pick. Just don’t expect to win a cup in the next 10 years. You’ll get a contender eventually, most likely, and that’s the most we can realistically hope for.