[News] Bill Peters resigns as head coach. No longer part of Flames org. Ward interim HC

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Settlement reached, won't talk about it.

I wonder how much they paid him to go away. All of it? I think likely.

If they wanted to pay him all of it they would have just fired him. Clearly they settled for something less than all of it. Use some logic friend.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think moving away from Peters is exactly the right move here but you have to admit if photographs of Peters in blackface surfaced instead of the incident of using the N-word we are probably still discussing his dismissal today. Yet the PM somehow keeps his job. We will one day have to find a happy medium here were people are all treated equally in cases like this.

Disagree. The two have almost nothing in common. Trudeau was not using a racist term at a visible minority that he had power over. These cases aren't even close to equal so trying to equate them makes no sense.

[PaperBagger'14]

I'm proud of the way Treliving and the flames handled this. Tre put himself front and center, facing a media blitzkrieg. They took their time, made a (assumed) deal and cut out what would have been a cancer on this team in more ways than one.

I do expect Treliving to be under some scrutiny, his coaching hires have both been train wrecks, but I hope management gives him the time needed to grow and flourish in this role.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I do. Even if the Flames wanted to keep Peters for some strange reason they could not because of the backlash as our society would not forgive them. In the same breath our society feels that racism in Justin's case was excusable. This is not right and if we are ever going to get rid of racism we have to drop the excuses for everyone regardless of their profession and standing.

I guess you are completely blind to the nuances between the two situations.

I mean if you can't understand how different a poor halloween costume choice vs a Coach in a position of authority over a player using racially and sexually charged language at a young man who's career he completely holds in his hands then we're not sure what to tell you.

The two situations are so far apart your attempt to equate them is bewildering to me.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I guess you are completely blind to the nuances between the two situations.

I mean if you can't understand how different a poor halloween costume choice vs a Coach in a position of authority over a player using racially and sexually charged language at a young man who's career he completely holds in his hands then we're not sure what to tell you.

The two situations are so far apart your attempt to equate them is bewildering to me.

I dont find it great to compare any racist act to another. So I think the conversation sucks.

But a teacher and a coach are pretty equal in my books.both hold power over the young and impressionable.

At the end of the day it all just sucks

Im a bit confused though, was peters using sexual charged language? I missed that part for sure

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’d love to see a poll on people’s opinion on how the flames handled this.

Choice one : I am satisfied with the way the flames handled the Peters situation.
Choice two : I am dissatisfied with the way the flames handled the Peters situation.

Keep it real simple and focused on what the flames did or didn’t do.

Given those choices, I pick choice one. He’s gone.

As I said earlier, I wish they had made a stronger statement today but they were left holding the bag here.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I guess you are completely blind to the nuances between the two situations.

I mean if you can't understand how different a poor halloween costume choice vs a Coach in a position of authority over a player using racially and sexually charged language at a young man who's career he completely holds in his hands then we're not sure what to tell you.

The two situations are so far apart your attempt to equate them is bewildering to me.

Its silly but the bottom line is that Justin was a teacher in a position of authority and an example for the students. So its pretty comparable.



And nobody here is arguing that what Peter's didn't do was repulsive. But lets be fair in Justin's case his not one but three times in Blackface and at least once when he was a teacher is repulsive as well.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Disagree. The two have almost nothing in common. Trudeau was not using a racist term at a visible minority that he had power over. These cases aren't even close to equal so trying to equate them makes no sense.

Trudeau' was a frigin high school teacher at the time of one of the many instances of his peculiar pattern of costume selections . Who are any of us to say who and how many ethnic minority students were impacted by the genius?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by zamler

Wow, you're really lost in your own head.

I'm stating very clearly I strongly dislike double standards. I think we can ALL agree what Trudeau did and what Peters did are both highly racist. Since we can't read minds and ever know true intent logically we judge the person on their actions.

No, most of us don't agree on that.

A lot of us think what Bill Peters did is WAY, WAY, WAY worse.

They are completely different situations. The only thing that have in common is racism but outside of that the two situations are in no way comparable or equatable.

Not sure how you can't see that.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

If they wanted to pay him all of it they would have just fired him. Clearly they settled for something less than all of it. Use some logic friend.

Needlessly condescending.

But let’s put it another way, if they wanted to “fire him”, or relieve him of his duties they could have done so at a cost.

There’s also more at play than that though. Peters could argue he suffered other damages as a result of Calgary “firing” him, beyond what they owed him. As it stands now, he doesn’t have much of case against Calgary. From what has been said publicly, Flames reviewed the incident but came to no conclusion publicly. Peters resigned. The Flames haven’t said a thing about him. It’s entirely possible the Flames wanted the least exposure possible and that’s why they took this route and so maybe paid him out nearly everything?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by transplant99

As we both know...there are none.

My entire point is why there are such double standards in this stuff. 99% of the population who heard the Peters story fully expected him to be out of a job at the end of it...for a variety of reasons it was the right thing to do and only logical conclusion.

Why should we not expect that from the party leading the country too? Why are they very much allowed to get away with condoning racist pasts by their collective inaction? Why are private companies held to a higher standard than our elected representatives who set policy for all this kind of stuff?

In short...why is some past racism forgiven and other is not?

Its part of the discussion moving forward that has to be addressed IMO, if there is to be any real headway made in the whole topic.

Just my thoughts on it is all.

Why do you think a poor halloween costume choice is equivalent to using racially and sexually charged language from a coach to a young player in a locker room in a situation where the coach basically controls the player's future?

The two situations are worlds apart. Anybody trying to equate them is being overly simplistic.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Sorry to everyone. I definitely contributed to that.

What you've said makes sense.

The people trying to equate Bill Peters and Trudeau as having done something in the same stratosphere are talking pure nonsense.

[Barnet Flame]

Comparisons between Trudeau and Peters are wrong on many levels. But it ought to at least be noted, even though Trudeau is still the PM, he was rejected by the vast majority of Canadians.

I believe that the situations are different, but do accept that a lot of ‘woke’ people made a great deal of effort and contortions to explain away Trudeau’s actions in a way they never would for others.

I thought the Flames did very well here, didn’t jump to conclusions, were objective in their approach throughout a difficult time, professionally and emotionally for those individuals involved, and took the correct actions.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I hope the Flames (and us) can slowly move on and just talk about hockey again one of these days. This is supposed to be fun. I hate the ugly side of sports and society. Be really glad when politics is just talked about in the politics threads.

Thought overall Treliving handled this situation as well as he could. An ugly chapter in the team's history. Be glad to see it in the rear view mirror.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There is a staggering lack of self-awareness in this post.

Quoted for truth. Out of thanks.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So just to be clear. In 2018 when a teacher dressed up as a black person, your response was:


But when a teacher dressed up as a black person in 2000, your response is now "he's racist and should have been removed as the Liberal leader."

You don't see how that's confusing?

You're looking at consistency, fair enough, I get that. But you're trying to draw a parallel situation between two very different situations. And when you get pretty much the exact same situation but your response changes from "Racist, needs to be fired" and "She did nothing wrong" you can't admit the bias?

pwnt. Well played sir.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Problem with your poll is choice 2 is too vague.

Why,

You are either happy with the flames or unhappy it’s a binary choice.

In the text of the thread you could explain your reasoning. Most CP polls are ruined by prescribing a reason for the satisfaction or dissatisfaction.

[Saqe]

Happy and unhappy aren't binary states. You can be partially happy/unhappy at the same time.



But like you said polls are often made that way which doesn't make them very informative.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I dont find it great to compare any racist act to another. So I think the conversation sucks.

But a teacher and a coach are pretty equal in my books.both hold power over the young and impressionable.

At the end of the day it all just sucks

Im a bit confused though, was peters using sexual charged language? I missed that part for sure

I believe he said something along the lines of, "Turn off that N****s f*** each other in the a** music."

Personally I think that makes it even more offensive for Aliu.

[FireGilbert]

I really glad it this was a resignation and the Flames can move on without a protracted legal battle.

I’m annoyed this has become another hill for the anti-PC I want free speech to spread hate crowd to die on. I seriously overhead a the Flames played Tiny Dancer to show how woke they were. Screw this world.