Melinda Karlsson alleges Hoffman's fiancée is behind campaign of harassment

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by UKflames

As usual people are guilty in the court of public opinion before all of the facts are known, just because one party shouts their accusations louder than the other party can reply.

The sad reality is that this mainstream news cycle is over. Even if Monika Caryk clears her name with undeniable evidence, her life is forever negatively changed.

Googling Caryk will pop up five pages out of the gate mentioning the allegations. National news outlets might pick this up but as a footnote.

Equally for the Karlsson family, they'll never get justice for the trauma and soap opera that occurred.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I think I mentioned this from the start, spidey sense was tingling.

As did I.

Even if it turns out she did it. The stones that were thrown at her after just allegations - it was like watching junior high kids.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by New Era

Use of a VPN or proxy would have been evident through the web logs from the site the device connected to. Also would have been evident on the devices Cary’s used. The investigator would have caught all of that.

That would just show that the person used a VPN. Unless they were able to get the logs from the VPN company to see who used it at that time, they won’t be able to see who did it.

[oldschoolcalgary]

forgive my ignorance, but could you not simply have a 'burner' phone and use free wi-fi at a starbucks or tim hortons to post those kinds of remarks and be pretty much untraceable?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

forgive my ignorance, but could you not simply have a 'burner' phone and use free wi-fi at a starbucks or tim hortons to post those kinds of remarks and be pretty much untraceable?

And or any public computer (cafe,hotel,ect)

[FlamesFanTrev]

Maybe the whole thing was just a ruse by both the Hoffman's and karlsson's so they could all get out of Ottawa?

Seriously though, a lack of evidence dosen't prove innocence, it's merely unable to prove guilt. I just think that there are so many ways for wealthy Melinda Karlsson to go after Caryk other then to take out a peace bond, months before it was ever reported in the news....why would she decide to go that route? And if she was trying to destroy her in the media, why not leak the peace bond thing quicker then 2 months later? And if Melinda ended up concocting this whole thing, and going through this whole process in the most round about way ever, to damage Hoffman's fiancee..... Woah.... Do not piss off Melinda Karlsson. That's a super villian level of planning and manipulation.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Maybe the whole thing was just a ruse by both the Hoffman's and karlsson's so they could all get out of Ottawa?

Seriously though, a lack of evidence dosen't prove innocence, it's merely unable to prove guilt. I just think that there are so many ways for wealthy Melinda Karlsson to go after Caryk other then to take out a peace bond, months before it was ever reported in the news....why would she decide to go that route? And if she was trying to destroy her in the media, why not leak the peace bond thing quicker then 2 months later? And if Melinda ended up concocting this whole thing, and going through this whole process in the most round about way ever, to damage Hoffman's fiancee..... Woah.... Do not piss off Melinda Karlsson. That's a super villian level of planning and manipulation.

Maybe Melinda Karlsson truly believed Caryk was the one making the posts? Even if it turns our Caryk didn't do it, it doesn't mean Karlsson was planning something sinister either.

As always, it's better to wait and see how things shake out before presuming guilt on anyone. And really, this shouldn't even be for public consumption.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Well, it's not accurate to say that the third party found nothing that ties the comments to 'her IP'. What the article does say is that the owner of one website doesn't think the posts on his one website were tied to any IP he would have known Caryk to use. But that's easy enough to do with a simple VPN or proxy service. Like one would have used to get American Netflix instead of Canadian.

Though, yes. The Karlssons will need to show evidence at some point.

This is the key. I assume the Karlsson's have a good lawyer and I just can't imagine they would have brought these accusations to light if they didn't have some evidence as it would blow up in their face. I have a feeling that when everything comes out that nobody comes out looking good as it sounds like in the wives circles that Caryk didn't have a great reputation but at the same time the Karlsson's seem to have a bit of baggage. Could be a story about two crazy women at the end of the day rather than just one.

[Split98]

This is an interesting angle they're taking to clear their name, but the court of public opinion did not roast her on digital evidence.

Comments she made in person, around people and actions she took while around the Karlssons is what led them to believe it was her making these statements. Having an IP to link her to it would have just been solid proof, but hiding your IP is not difficult if you don't want to be caught online. Showing that her IP isn't linked is just proving she was careful.

Not saying that this means she's guilty, just that you can't link her IP to it directly. It would have been a case closed months ago if they could.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Maybe Melinda Karlsson truly believed Caryk was the one making the posts? Even if it turns our Caryk didn't do it, it doesn't mean Karlsson was planning something sinister either.

As always, it's better to wait and see how things shake out before presuming guilt on anyone. And really, this shouldn't even be for public consumption.

That's funny. And yet you somehow find your self posting in a thread dedicated to consuming it. How did your high horse get through the doorway?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It would be totally Ottawa for them to have traded Hoffman for peanuts when he looked like the bad party, just to have the situation turn on Karlsson just before they have to trade him.

It would be very Edmonton.

[McG]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Maybe the whole thing was just a ruse by both the Hoffman's and karlsson's so they could all get out of Ottawa?

Seriously though, a lack of evidence dosen't prove innocence, it's merely unable to prove guilt. I just think that there are so many ways for wealthy Melinda Karlsson to go after Caryk other then to take out a peace bond, months before it was ever reported in the news....why would she decide to go that route? And if she was trying to destroy her in the media, why not leak the peace bond thing quicker then 2 months later? And if Melinda ended up concocting this whole thing, and going through this whole process in the most round about way ever, to damage Hoffman's fiancee..... Woah.... Do not piss off Melinda Karlsson. That's a super villian level of planning and manipulation.

I mostly agree with you but I wanted to just draw attention to a challenge of proving this sort of thing.

A lack of evidence is the foundation of innocence; presumption of innocence etc. As an example, I have a lack of evidence that literally, you personally, didn’t send the note. Should I assume you are guilty?

Maybe we should discuss Scottish law’s “not proven”.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by McG

I mostly agree with you but I wanted to just draw attention to a challenge of proving this sort of thing.

A lack of evidence is the foundation of innocence; presumption of innocence etc. As an example, I have a lack of evidence that literally, you personally, didn’t send the note. Should I assume you are guilty?

Maybe we should discuss Scottish law’s “not proven”.

Not guilty vs not proven. Really should be not proven. Semantics but its a truer definition.

[monkeyman]

Even if these things were sent from a burner phone, public computer... there are ways of proving someone could not have sent them. I.E. documented proof you were not in the area. The thing is, how can Caryk defend herself if she isn't privy to the exact nature of the charges or claims? There's entirely no reason for the Karlsson's to withhold information that will help identify the real culprit, and in doing so robs Caryk the opportunity to defend herself. Unless something comes out to link Caryk to the specific charges, I'm 100% in her corner on this thing.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Even if these things were sent from a burner phone, public computer... there are ways of proving someone could not have sent them. I.E. documented proof you were not in the area. The thing is, how can Caryk defend herself if she isn't privy to the exact nature of the charges or claims? There's entirely no reason for the Karlsson's to withhold information that will help identify the real culprit, and in doing so robs Caryk the opportunity to defend herself. Unless something comes out to link Caryk to the specific charges, I'm 100% in her corner on this thing.

I think anyone thinking they know enough to be 100% on anyones corner is being silly.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Itse

I think anyone thinking they know enough to be 100% on anyones corner is being silly.

Then call me silly. The Karlssons have done nothing to prove their claim, and all while being fully aware this has besmirched someone’s reputation. Apparently, they don’t care enough about that to step up and help resolve this. It’s extremely selfish, and that speaks volumes about their character. Like I said, until there’s even a single piece of evidence, I’m in Caryk’s corner.

[Russic]

I'm just trying to figure out why somebody would either activate a VPN to hide their IP, or physically travel to another location to mask their IP... and then post things from an account that has their name in it.

[Flamenspiel]

Well, its all gossip right now, there is simply no forensic evidence either way.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Russic

I'm just trying to figure out why somebody would either activate a VPN to hide their IP, or physically travel to another location to mask their IP... and then post things from an account that has their name in it.

Wait. When was her name ever on an account?

[GullFoss]

It seems pretty plausible that all four people (the Karlssons and Hoffman/caryk) involved are considerably flawed and toxic individuals. Good hockey players though.

What blows my mind is how many nhl wife's took the time to stop posting on the gram so they could burn Caryk on twitter. And you know what we saw was the tip of the iceberg cuz no one uses twitter. Probably a lot worse was distributed on snapchat. It's like real housewives type drama.