[Trade] Flames get Travis Hamonic + 4th for a 1st and 2x2nds

[Par]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Because Hamonic is better? and they can still sign Stone? and Hamonic has a low cap hit whuch helps with other types of asset management? Maybe Franson and Demers dont want to come to Calgary?

Is Hamonic better than a first round pick in a deep draft? There were other cheap options that would have been just good, the asking price for Hamonic were two 1st round picks and we payed that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

lol this is twice now Tre has snagged a top 4 dman out from under Chiarelli's nose. Imagine the Oilers with Hall, Hamonic and Hamilton... that would've been scary! Instead it's Larsson, Russell and nothing (Reinhart).

Every time I'm feeling a little down I remember that the Oilers paid more for Reinhart than we did for Hamilton and they lost him for nothing.

Cheers me right up.

[Par]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

lol, last week you declared the Oilers as a better team than the Flames because they seemed to be mentioned more actively in trade rumours.

They were after Hamonic or a d just like him.

Flames go out and get him, solidify their D as one of the best in the league, and you're still complaining.

It's beyond obvious what you're about at this point.

I like they are trading but they kind of payed market value, that pick should have been top 15 protected.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Par

Is Hamonic better than a first round pick in a deep draft?

A late teens / early 20s pic? Yes, and especially in the way it helps us in the next few seaons with our window opening up.

Originally Posted by Par

There were other cheap options that would have been just good

No, there wasn't. You're just underlining you have no idea what you're talking about.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Par

Is Hamonic better than a first round pick in a deep draft? There were other cheap options that would have been just good, the asking price for Hamonic were two 1st round picks and we payed that.

Examples?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Par

What was the point of trading picks for a D, when you could have just gotten Stone signed(who you traded a 2nd round pick for), and just signed Franson or Demers for cheap and given one of the kids a chance. This is horrible assest management.

stone was traded for a third.

that should tell you the difference on how a guy like stone was perceived by NHL GMs compared to Hamonic (no offense to stone)

[Flash Walken]

Hey, I wonder what the best poster on CP thinks of the trade.

Let's all ask him and await is well reasoned, supported and convincing analysis.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Overreaction much? Nope, it's just par for the course.

Of course for the Par 😀

My take on the trade is this: both Brodie and Hamonic stand a good chance of out playing their contract. That's a great situation to be in.

[Beninho]

Flames walk away from the draft with a young stud Dman and Hamonic. This is what Hamonic commanded after a down year, imagine what his price will be after getting to play with Brodie (see the Stone effect). Flames could flip him for a hell of a lot more in the future when Valimaki and the other Dmen are ready to come through or use their D prospect depth to address other issues. This is a great trade and the Flames got a very valuable asset on an amazing contract. Next season will be fun

For the record I was against trading this years first for Hamonic because I don't think the Flames will be picking this high again. Sucks losing next years first but the flames have accumulated enough young players where losing it isn't as painful. People forget the Flames have very high hopes for Janko, more than enough young players are gonna be in the fold moving forward.

[Par]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Examples?

Resigning Stone, signing Franson or signing Stone and trading for Demers, the 2018 draft is supposed to be a deep draft.

[yow8309]

It is a great trade... can't wait for the new season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browna

Shored up at the back, hopefully we keep Stone.

It's now hoping that Ferland continues his resurgence on the top line and that the second line takes attention away from the first line as far as the other teams focus. If the Flames are a one line team up front it doesn't matter how the defence and goaltending is.

They haven't replaced the skill and savvy of Hudler and not sure they will, so its up for some guys like Bennett to take it up a notch and Tkachuk to have another good year.

The Flames are not one line team. I would say the Monahan and Backlund lines are definitely capable and dependable offensive threats with Bennett's line as a wildcard. Yes, they have not yet managed to fill the void left by Hudler, but the whole is much better than the sum of parts while he was still here. There is much more balance through the forwards even if there are still a few holes. It is a marathon, not a sprint to a championship—I still think there is time to continue adjusting and building.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Par

Is Hamonic better than a first round pick in a deep draft? There were other cheap options that would have been just good, the asking price for Hamonic were two 1st round picks and we payed that.

Right now unequivocally and absolutely.

Sometimes I think fans are way to obsessed with draft picks, and because the draft is more hockey poolesque they would rather have the team in rebuild forever.

But at the end of the day Harmonic is a 26 year old high level middle pairing guy who in injury situations has shown that he can play that 20 minute + a night shift chart. At the same time he's signed for 3 years at 3.8 which is amazingly helpful in terms of cap hit in your middle pairing. Edmonton just signed what is really a bottom pairing guy for 4.1.

Draft choices give you a chance and its a down the road chance. While the Flames are young, the Flames have just declared that they're opening their window now to win.

This trade is about what your going to pay for a player with all of the factors that Harmonic brings, age, ability, cap hit.

The added bonus is he would have filled a real need in Edmonton, but he's here instead.

This is a solid deal.

Yeah its tough giving up a first round pick and a couple of seconds, but at the end of the day the Flames have been stockpiling prospects and organizational depth so they can make a move like this.

If the Flames can get Stone, this is a very effective mobile and strong two way blueline with a good physical element,

This also helps out the goaltending situation, and remember we now have a goalie with elite puck moving skill set.

I think this is a great move.

However if you want to balance things out, we could have Harmonic, or that mystery box that might turn out to be a harmonic, or a Rico Fata.

[SOMBRI2]

Originally Posted by psicodude

The Flames tweeted out this ESPN video from a few years back. It's about Travis losing his father and the program he runs to support children in a similar situation. It's really well done and a little tough to watch.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=11915798

Amazing. I cried.

I lost my dad 13 years ago and I could not even saw his last moments (being in another country). Say what you want about money or less tax, he is a heart and soul and I am more happy that he is part of it.

Thanks for doing this, Tre. For business, or for this human.

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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

A late teens / early 20s pic? Yes, and especially in the way it helps us in the next few seaons with our window opening up.




No, there wasn't. You're just underlining you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're on quite a roll.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I think now is the perfect time for Tre to be trading picks to "mortgage" our future.

When most of your core is in their 30s and trading picks for player is a last gasp attempt to win a Cup before the window closes, it is definitely mortgaging the future for current success.

However, when you are exiting a rebuild and the team has recently stockpiled picks to help that rebuild, there is no better time to sacrifice picks to improve the team at the beginning of the window, instead of 5 years from now when the window for a cup is closing.

Picks can have an ebb and a flow to them. Having consistent picks year to year is nice and can help sustain long term success, but with the current way NHL teams are structured, and the importance of value contracts, I think it is shrewd to make that sacrifice now as opposed to later.

[dammage79]

I'm not a fan of spending picks like candy. But what o am a fan of is Brad Treliving and his plan whatever it may be. If he believes adding Hamonic at that cost is a good risk I'll support it. Hate spending 1st round picks on non top tier player even if that pick ends up in the mid 20's. I sincerely hope this pays off huge. Welcome to the Flames Hamonic!

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Par

What was the point of trading picks for a D, when you could have just gotten Stone signed(who you traded a 2nd round pick for), and just signed Franson or Demers for cheap and given one of the kids a chance. This is horrible assest management.

They probably will still sign Stone, whatever you pay Franson would be too much and Demers would require a trade and he earns more and has 1 more year on his deal then Hamonic does. As far as asset management goes it seems like a good deal today. The flames could always try and recoup picks in the next year. Essentially we traded a lottery ticket for 1 and 2 years away for established low cost help today.

[Beninho]

Best part of this trade is the Oil have missed out on Dougie and Hamonic, 2 guys that would help that #### storm of a defense immensly. They get one injury on that blue line next year and it's curtains.

[dammage79]

I guess his nickname is now Phil. Thus fulfilling yesterday's grammatical prophecy.