Who do you WANT to be the Flames Starting Goalie Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[Isikiz]

Schneider:

Spoiler!

Schneider's past season for curiosity. Had two really bad runs (Nov-Dec, Mar-Apr). Has anyone watched many of Schneider's games with the Devils?

[dammage79]

Yeahs, as far as i am concerned, the devils are set in net and thats where you need to build out from when youre in a rebuild like they are. Cant see them trading a solid piece in net unless a Kings ransom came their way. Which is not what the Flames can afford to do yet.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, I don't see any reason for NJ to trade Schneider. The only hope for that to happen would be Schneider himself asking for a trade.

Same thing with Price. You hope he resists signing an extension and Bergevin decides to move him this summer rather than risk losing him in a year.

Unlikely but about all we can hope for to keep us from having to take a big gamble on young goalie after giving up assets to acquire him, or worse a barely formidable retread from the bargain bin.

F U Bishop for being from the States.

[Roof-Daddy]

I posted this table in the last thread. Bishop and Darling are now gone.

Of the UFA's it comes down to Elliott and Mason IMO.

Elliott has the better numbers, but Mason is younger and has actually handled a starters work load. 60, 48, 50, 53 starts in his last 4 seasons.

Mason's numbers are actually VERY comparable to MAF's numbers while MAF has been playing on a much better team, and we wouldn't have to give anything up in a trade to get Mason.

I'm actually kind of surprised now looking at the numbers, that Mason isn't getting more votes to be honest.

[Svartsengi]

Does anyone have thoughts on Linus Ullmark from Buffalo?. I don't know alot about him he will need to be exposed by Buffalo in expansion draft if they protect Lehner which I imagine they will. New GM in Buffalo maybe another name to add to the Flames list.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I posted this table in the last thread. Bishop and Darling are now gone.

Of the UFA's it comes down to Elliott and Mason IMO.

Elliott has the better numbers, but Mason is younger and has actually handled a starters work load. 60, 48, 50, 53 starts in his last 4 seasons.

Mason's numbers are actually VERY comparable to MAF's numbers while MAF has been playing on a much better team, and we wouldn't have to give anything up in a trade to get Mason.

I'm actually kind of surprised now looking at the numbers, that Mason isn't getting more votes to be honest.

I voted Mason

[868904]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I posted this table in the last thread. Bishop and Darling are now gone.

Of the UFA's it comes down to Elliott and Mason IMO.

Elliott has the better numbers, but Mason is younger and has actually handled a starters work load. 60, 48, 50, 53 starts in his last 4 seasons.

Mason's numbers are actually VERY comparable to MAF's numbers while MAF has been playing on a much better team, and we wouldn't have to give anything up in a trade to get Mason.

I'm actually kind of surprised now looking at the numbers, that Mason isn't getting more votes to be honest.

What I get from that table is that the goalies on good teams have good stats and the goalies on bad teams have bad stats.

[GioforPM]

Surprised at Mason's stats. If his numbers are similar to Elliott's but he has way more starts (albeit more losses percentage wise) and is 4 years younger, then he's preferable.

Perhaps his lack of votes is because, while his career numbers are pretty good, he has had some terrible seasons (mostly Columbus though). Plus this last year wasn't so hot.

[Vinny01]

I have a feeling it will be Mrazek that the Flames acquire.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have a feeling it will be Mrazek that the Flames acquire.

Well, Coreau is cheaper and Mrazek had an off year, so maybe Detroit would be willing to play. What's his trade value?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, Coreau is cheaper and Mrazek had an off year, so maybe Detroit would be willing to play. What's his trade value?

That's avoid question. I saw a red wings fan ask for Bennett on HF which is laughable for a 25 year year old goalie making $4M coming off a .901 save%.

I think the Wings could be a bit of a one stop shop for the Flames as Tatar or Nyquist are also RW targets that would fit the Flames.

If we are looking at just Mrazek I would be fine with Rittich/Macdonald, and Hickey/Kylington if they want to add Tatar or Nyquist the 1st rounder or Gillies can be in the conversation?

Goalie value is really tough to gauge

[Flash Walken]

It's going to be Elliott and I'll be sad.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think this is probably where the Flames will find their goalie, through Vegas. Flames will have to give up one of Gillies, Rittich, or Parsons in exchange for a goalie who can play now.

Vegas will make the deal as they will need not only goalies for the now, but also goalies down the road. I could see Vegas taking both Grubauer and Raanta and trading one of them for one of the Flames young goalie prospects.

Most teams have goaltending depth projected for the next 5 years. Vegas will need to build that projection and will need guys like Gillies and Parsons.

Unless it is a franchise goalie with a lot of good years left in him the Flames should not even remotely entertain offers on Parsons.

[Toonage]

If it is Elliott (and yeah, it probably is) then let's all hope its record breaking Elliott and not October/November/end of April or vs. Ducks, Elliott.

[dissentowner]

As for the original question my choice is still Mike Smith. The Yotes D is OEL and nothing and Smith faces most of his shots in high quality areas and still makes 40+ saves most nights. Mostly he passes the eye test for me over the other goalies mentioned. Add in his ability to move the puck up the ice and how mobile our D is and to me he is the perfect solution until Parsons is ready.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

As for the original question my choice is still Mike Smith. The Yotes D is OEL and nothing and Smith faces most of his shots in high quality areas and still makes 40+ saves most nights. Mostly he passes the eye test for me over the other goalies mentioned. Add in his ability to move the puck up the ice and how mobile our D is and to me he is the perfect solution until Parsons is ready.

Yeah I find it funny when people compare numbers of backups on cup contending teams against starters on bottom feeders


its not a fair comparison at all

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 868904

What I get from that table is that the goalies on good teams have good stats and the goalies on bad teams have bad stats.

Not in all cases.

Mason and MAF have nearly identical stats over the last 4 seasons, but MAF has played for the contender Pens while Mason played for playoff bubble Philly.

Schneider's stats are top notch, he's played for one of the worst teams n the league over the last 4 seasons in Jersey.

[Vinny01]

I just can't see how it is Elliott. It costs the team a 3rd round pick and the optics look bad. Bringing Elliott back reminds me of Re-signing Ramo in 2015. The goalie tandem was good enough in 14/15 to get the team to the playoffs but Treliving knew goalless an issue. He was in on Jones, and Talbot that we knew about and likely more. He ended up missing out and goaltending cost the Flames the next season.

Bringing Elliott back reminds me of bringing Ramo back and that won't end well

[Toonage]

nm

[868904]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Unless it is a franchise goalie with a lot of good years left in him the Flames should not even remotely entertain offers on Parsons.

Then it will be Gillies that gets moved. I think Flames fans should expect that one of the young goalies will get moved. It also makes a lot of sense in terms of development as you don't want any of Gillies/Rittich/Parsons in the ECHL where the Flames won't have control next year. And no, none of these 3 are ready to backup in the NHL next year.

The reality is the Flames won't need 3 lottery ball goalie prospects if they acquire a quality number 1 who will be around for at least a couple of years. 2 is sufficient and they still have another lottery ball in McDonald who could turn it around.

For a team like the Rangers and Capitals, trading a Raanta or Grubauer for a Gillies makes a lot of sense as they retain the young goalie asset rather than losing it to Vegas.