[Rumour] Iginla willing to waive NMC at this years deadline

[MrMastodonFarm]

Loving the new narrative that Iginla now forced the Flames hand to trade him.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is he improving things?

If the avs are such a disaster of an organization why did he sign there for so long?

The Iginla starts and stops with team accomplishments and outside of being surrounded by All-star lineups, there really aren't any.

This has been documented over and over through the years. Darryl saying he is a tough player to coach, the team absolutely ####ting the bed in game 7 vs the ducks, quitting on play fair the year after that, losing out on the Chicago series at least in part because the team was too busy getting wasted the night before the games in Chicago. Pouting his way through the tenure of Sutter which involved critical breakdowns in the stretch drive Yar after year and then forcing the flames hand by refusing to negotiate a contract during his final season with the club.

Francois beachemin was apparently ripping the abs just the other day about their play, no mention of Iginla in the article.

I've never criticised his ability, only his desire to do what it takes to win.

There has been a myth built around Iginla largely because there wasn't anything else worthy of mythologizing around the rest if the flames organization.

To get it back in track with the thread, I don't want that element back on the team, I want guys willing to do what it takes to win.

39 year old Iginla is probably the only guy left on that team that still cares. If he didn't care any longer, he wouldn't have gone after Emelin in that game.

He signed on the Avs thinking they were the 'next Chicago' with their talent. Not his fault that the team decided to make trades and let people walk without getting anything in return, or doing a single thing about their porous defence.

It is funny how you and the 'anti-Iginla' crowd have a difficult time seeing his desire to win, when the 'pro-Iginla' crowd see it. He has been lauded by teammates in Pittsburgh, Boston and on the Avs for how hard he prepares and how much that rubs off on players. You see him stick up for a teammate, when nobody else would, and you want to tell people that Iginla is the problem on the Avs?

Iginla has never been a shouting and speeches kind of leader. You don't expect him to do that. But just go back and read about what people ARE saying as positives about him from every team he has been on. You didn't include those. You just mention the article where Beauchemin is ripping his team.

Every single team he has been on, players and coaches alike have gone out of their way to tell you how good Iginla is on the team and in the locker room as an example for everyone.

I don't even want Iginla back on the team, but the constant hammering at Iginla makes me want to click that 'yes' button. I am starting to feel deja vu. It is the Gaudreau signing watch with Gaudreuvertime all over again. I didn't want Iginla back on the team, but reading attack after attack on his character and 'desire' hopes he is back just to infuriate the haters even more.

Keenan didn't say a single bad thing about Iginla. Darryl Sutter's insinuation in hindsight was probably more about the lack of ability in hiring a competent coach - Playfair was never an NHL-capable coach (still isn't apparently), Keenan was semi-retired and had to go to the KHL, Sutter inherited a strong team and beat into them that they were playing 'wrong' even though they were leading the west, and we all know how it turned out after they were playing 'right'. He hasn't ever got another sniff at the NHL.

Hartley came in without benefit of a training camp, in an NHL-shortened season, with a GM that was holding the plug the whole time ready to pull it. If you can be patient with Gulutzan, then there is no reason to do the same with Hartley that first year - though the defence that year was nothing to write home about.

I think Iginla took a lot of the flack for those teams not having success, even though those teams simply were not talented enough or coached well enough to get a sniff at the cup.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Everyone has their trigger topics, the subjects they should avoid at all costs but just can't. Locke has Spiderman, Street Pharmacist has Keenan Kanzig, HotHotHeat has Apple, MMF has Android and Flash Walken has Iginla.

The bias is so ridiculous it casts a shadow over everything else he posts.

Don't get me started on single windsor versus double windsor tie knots.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Everyone has their trigger topics, the subjects they should avoid at all costs but just can't. Locke has Spiderman, Street Pharmacist has Keenan Kanzig, HotHotHeat has Apple, MMF has Android and Flash Walken has Iginla.

The bias is so ridiculous it casts a shadow over everything else he posts.

Hey! Those Spiderman movies objectively sucked!

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Everyone has their trigger topics, the subjects they should avoid at all costs but just can't. Locke has Spiderman, Street Pharmacist has Keenan Kanzig, HotHotHeat has Apple, MMF has Android and Flash Walken has Iginla.

The bias is so ridiculous it casts a shadow over everything else he posts.

I'm surprised you didn't say "Vulcan has Jankowski".

[calgaryblood]

Iginla was such a bad team guy that the best team in the world chose him to represent them three times and he won 2 gold medals playing significant minutes on both sides of the ice.

[EVERLAST]

Yes Iginla was a great player, captain, leader but then like everyone else started to decline.
Thing is he is a perimeter player now
Doesn't back check
Is soft on the wall
Doesn't drive to the net
Etc

Roy no longer coaches and so Jaromes role has to have changed. Can't say when coaches don't work well with him that things always work out.

Anyway, don't want to have him back and cannot understand the urgency all of a sudden to have him back .

Id rather have other older active players here than him.

[Flash Walken]

It's so easy to dismiss what I am saying by saying I hate Iginla. Yeah, the guy who owns two different Iginla jerseys separated by 6 years is the guy with an irrational hatred for him. Absurd.

Address the points I made or don't bother responding. Strawman like I believe Iginla caused the decline of the avs or that I need psychiatric help need not apply.

The multi-stanley cup winning coach as a coach and the Stanley cup winning and former multi time nhl captain both said publicly, to the media, that Iginla was a difficult player to coach. His split with Brent Sutter was very public at the time. Darryl Sutter was blunt as hell when he answered the question of why trade for Steve stairs, "veteran leadership."

Our own JiriHrdina even confirmed for us that Iginla hanging out at the opposition blue line was not the instructions given by the coaching staff.

Iginla was enigmatic. in his prime there was no better, but there were also problems with coachability on occasion that detracted from the team which were magnified by his Captain status. That's the entirety of the argument.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It's funny that no one ever accuses regher of being the problem. Maybe he was the problem and Iggy was in the right.

My take would be though that Iginla was not buying into what the coach was asking for.
This isn't right or wrong, this is about executing a plan together, and one of the key leaders not buying in.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Loving the new narrative that Iginla now forced the Flames hand to trade him.

That's what was reported by Francis, so it isn't new.

As for wanting him back, I'm on the fence.

As for Jankowski, I didn't like the pick as a first rounder but I hope he becomes an asset for us.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

As for Jankowski, I didn't like the pick as a first rounder but I hope he becomes an asset for us.

haha! Trigger issue confirmed dude!

[meh]

sign him already!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

haha! Trigger issue confirmed dude!

Just stating my position before you distort it into me hating Jankowski.

As for Iginla, he has a NMC so if he likes he could make the Avs only accept a Flames offer, so he could be cheap to acquire. This could be the last place he wants to be though.

[CSharp]

It's funny how the Iggy haters are always complaining how hard it is to coach Iggy and how he doesn't buy into any coach's system - well frickin hell, look at two coaches now in the span of 4 years. Is the Flames any better besides that one blip in 2014 season? Look at Gio and Wideman, the latter is even worse and was benched by both Hartley and GG for extended periods of time. Do you think any team would trade for Wideman. The Avs put Iggy up for sale right now and I bet you more than half dozen teams will pick him up right now and that's including the Flames. The truth is, the Flames as a whole has always been a hard team to coach since 2004 no matter what because we expect the team to exceed and win the cup. It's a frickin team sport and yet Iggy carried the whole franchise on his back and half of the frickin fans are kicking him out of Calgary by the end of it all.

I also bring up Gio since he is one of 2 o 3 remaining Flames who were part of that Sutter Fail era. Most people praise him for good leadership, but what the hell does that mean when he looks good when he does score, but then he looks so awful a lot of the times when the opposition scores because he's defensively horrible? Why isn't Gio to blame for being hard to coach when he fails so much more miserably game after game for so long? So, I just don't understand where all this lovin and all these hatin really comes from. I'm really confused and I think it's all a bunch of garbage from someone trying to read between the lines and making it out to be something totally BS. If Iggy was truly that uncoachable, no other teams would've ever offered contracts to Iggy and he would've retired 5 years ago after he'd left the Flames.

He might not be fast and he's definitely not the slowest skater (cough: Wideman), but he'll go into the end boards with anyone and he'll go in front of the opposition goalie as a power forward does. You don't see Monahan doing that on a regular basis. Combine that with a shot that Wideman never uses on the point and you still have a pretty good utility forward.

If the Flames is a class act organization the way it's been since arriving in Calgary, they should try get Iggy back especially now that Oilers may start toying with the idea of finally getting Iggy. There's NO way he's going to the Oilers. Of course he's not going to fill that right wing power forward role with McDavid, but I'm sure they would love to get him just to piss all of us Flames fans off (minus less than half of you Iggy haters, that is).

[Lanny_McDonald]

After watching the Flames get schooled in back-to-back games by Tampa and Columbus I think it is very evident that what we need is another player that is slow and weak defensively.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Loving the new narrative that Iginla now forced the Flames hand to trade him.

I must have missed 'forced the Flames hand' but there is no question he wasn't interested in re-signing with a rebuilding team ( I don't blame him for this). Forcing their hand is far too strong, but they had no choice but to deal him, and even less choice in the final hour.

[Red Slinger]

I have mixed emotions when it comes to Iginla.

On the one hand he is probably the greatest Flame ever (so far) and almost single-handedly won the Cup in 2004 (it was in).

On the other hand the last few years in Calgary he tended to float around the ice and cheat offensively to the detriment of the D zone. At the time I found it really frustrating but in hindsight he was probably utilizing his talents in what he thought was the best way to help the team win, even though it was likely not what the coaches wanted.

My immediate reaction to the question of whether he should come back is "no" primarily because his skill and speed has sharply declined and this Flames team is primarily built around speed and skill. Also, I worry about what it might do to the room to have the undisputed former face of the franchise back and in a support role. I worry about the effect it might have on some of the younger leadership group like Monahan.

However, he might be able to fill the Sam Gagner role on this team: 4th liner who is a PP specialist. This would depend on him buying into that role 100%. Maybe he would but maybe he wouldn't. Overall there are more potential likely negative scenarios than positive ones to make it worthwhile to the team.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by CSharp

It's funny how the Iggy haters are always complaining how hard it is to coach Iggy and how he doesn't buy into any coach's system - well frickin hell, look at two coaches now in the span of 4 years. Is the Flames any better besides that one blip in 2014 season? Look at Gio and Wideman, the latter is even worse and was benched by both Hartley and GG for extended periods of time. Do you think any team would trade for Wideman. The Avs put Iggy up for sale right now and I bet you more than half dozen teams will pick him up right now and that's including the Flames. The truth is, the Flames as a whole has always been a hard team to coach since 2004 no matter what because we expect the team to exceed and win the cup. It's a frickin team sport and yet Iggy carried the whole franchise on his back and half of the frickin fans are kicking him out of Calgary by the end of it all.

I also bring up Gio since he is one of 2 o 3 remaining Flames who were part of that Sutter Fail era. Most people praise him for good leadership, but what the hell does that mean when he looks good when he does score, but then he looks so awful a lot of the times when the opposition scores because he's defensively horrible? Why isn't Gio to blame for being hard to coach when he fails so much more miserably game after game for so long? So, I just don't understand where all this lovin and all these hatin really comes from. I'm really confused and I think it's all a bunch of garbage from someone trying to read between the lines and making it out to be something totally BS. If Iggy was truly that uncoachable, no other teams would've ever offered contracts to Iggy and he would've retired 5 years ago after he'd left the Flames.

He might not be fast and he's definitely not the slowest skater (cough: Wideman), but he'll go into the end boards with anyone and he'll go in front of the opposition goalie as a power forward does. You don't see Monahan doing that on a regular basis. Combine that with a shot that Wideman never uses on the point and you still have a pretty good utility forward.

If the Flames is a class act organization the way it's been since arriving in Calgary, they should try get Iggy back especially now that Oilers may start toying with the idea of finally getting Iggy. There's NO way he's going to the Oilers. Of course he's not going to fill that right wing power forward role with McDavid, but I'm sure they would love to get him just to piss all of us Flames fans off (minus less than half of you Iggy haters, that is).

I'd give all the credit Kipper carrying this team on his back to the 04 finals and subsequent years moreso than Iginla who always had a hard time understanding the concept of playing defence in your own zone.

[getoverit]

I find reading these responses funny. Their is nothing to say Iginla would have any interest in wanting to return to flames. Iginla in his prime was to be recogned with. Perfect power forward that would stand up to anyone, wonder how many Gordie Howe Garrick's he has had in his career. Huge Iggy fan. Do I want him back, no. But I do hope he retires a flame when his career is over

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by CSharp

I also bring up Gio since he is one of 2 o 3 remaining Flames who were part of that Sutter Fail era. Most people praise him for good leadership, but what the hell does that mean when he looks good when he does score, but then he looks so awful a lot of the times when the opposition scores because he's defensively horrible?

Some fans, for some odd reason, have a really weird habit of praising defensive players over offensive players. Its been happening for years even though our only cup was won by an offensive powerhouse of a team. You can go back and look at reactions to a guy like Huselius, who performed way better than his contract demanded, and you'd see comments like "the guy can't throw a hit!". Nylander, Reichel, Fleury... to an extent we've seen these comments about Gaudreau and Monahan already. How many times did you read "Monahan is useless when he's not scoring" earlier this year.

And there's people who want to throw the best player in the team's history under the bus for not playing more defensively.

I don't know where this mentality came about but there's a definite bias to guys like Regehr who took 2 wrist shots at goal per year, but he's obviously a better team player and leader because he drove Hemskey through the boards a couple times. (Forgetting the fact that pound for pound Iginla was probably one of the toughest Flames of all time)

Seems like the prevailing mentality of many amongst the fanbase has been that the Flames need to become a gritty defence first team to succeed, and the offensive side of the game just happens, it doesn't need praise for truly providing value in terms of wins. I'm sure some people think Gio is actually better now because he's dropped his goal production.