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[loob job]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I think this situation is truly BT first and biggest fumble since taking over the GM spot.

Sure, the Flames DR may not have been the happiest with Hartley, but they knew him. They knew what to expect and the players knew how they were going to be handled.

The Optics of firing Hartley appears to be that of, BT had a guy in mind, now that coach is gone, and now BT doesn't have a chair now that the music has stopped.

I will be very disappointed if BT brings in someone who is similar to Hartley, but has a much worse track record. And sadly, all signs are pointing to this as being the case and the eventual outcome.


I guess the 3 headed goalie monster was his true first, by his own admission, so this situation is #2.

Hamilton move aside, how many poor moves will BT be allowed to make before people start considering him a problem?

I havnt lost faith in BT yet, but this clear lack of direction has me worried that it is going to lead to more knee jerk reaction in the future to cover for his mistakes.

No One knows what was going on behind the scenes, in the dressing room or in Hartley's meetings with assistants or hockey brass. There was more than likely a big problem with Hartley's philosophy or the way he was delivering it. There are always reasons that us fans will never know. It was most likely Not a knee jerk reaction.

[dammage79]

Yeah the fact that it took Treliving 3 weeks or so to actually fire Hartley means he wasn't pushing a panic button.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Sure, the Flames DR may not have been the happiest with Hartley, but they knew him. They knew what to expect and the players knew how they were going to be handled.

So keep him around strictly because he's familiar? Pretty poor argument.

Originally Posted by IgiTang

The Optics of firing Hartley appears to be that of, BT had a guy in mind, now that coach is gone, and now BT doesn't have a chair now that the music has stopped.

That's something you've invented, that's not the optics of the situation for most of us.

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I will be very disappointed if BT brings in someone who is similar to Hartley, but has a much worse track record. And sadly, all signs are pointing to this as being the case and the eventual outcome.

All signs? We have no idea who the next coach will be. You're making huge leaps and guesses.

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hamilton move aside, how many poor moves will BT be allowed to make before people start considering him a problem?

His good moves vastly outweigh his poor moves. He hasn't proven to be anywhere near a problem yet. You're inventing that.

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I havnt lost faith in BT yet, but this clear lack of direction has me worried that it is going to lead to more knee jerk reaction in the future to cover for his mistakes.

I don't see a clear lack of direction. You're inventing that yet again.

It's all in your mind bro.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Could just be an interview from convenience too. They're both in Russia aren't they? Treliving does strike me as a guy that would look at every possible option before making a decision, not just hiring the first guy he interviews. Wouldn't be surprised if there's no hire until after the draft

I'm not going to read much into anything until a decision is official

Yeah. There's no problem interviewing as many candidates as possible as this is Treliving's first head coaching hire and I'm not going to be overly worried unless there's a 2nd interview for him. I know lots of the Wild players didn't like him and as that article illustrated his team always had big slumps. Simply doesn't seem like the right fit for this roster with his overreliance on veteran players, lack of flexibility, poor powerplay, etc. A guy like him probably needs a good year off at least to reflect on what he can do to improve his coaching skills.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Not on board with Yeo at all. His name is too short, very suspicious. Take a pass Flames.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by loob job

No One knows what was going on behind the scenes, in the dressing room or in Hartley's meetings with assistants or hockey brass. There was more than likely a big problem with Hartley's philosophy or the way he was delivering it. There are always reasons that us fans will never know. It was most likely Not a knee jerk reaction.

You don't even have to go behind the scenes to know. There was a clear disconnect in their end of year press conferences. Hartley thought the Flames didn't block enough shots. Treliving wanted more puck possession. I came away from that thinking, if Treliving walks the walk then Hartley will be fired soon.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by saillias

You don't even have to go behind the scenes to know. There was a clear disconnect in their end of year press conferences. Hartley thought the Flames didn't block enough shots. Treliving wanted more puck possession. I came away from that thinking, if Treliving walks the walk then Hartley will be fired soon.

This actually even goes back to Treliving's 2014-15 end of season presser. He suggested that next year (2015-16) certain things like the systems would see some change along with the personnel.

He walked the walk on the personnel part (Dougie, Frolik, Grant, Nakladal) over the offseason but the systems did not change. That was strange because Brad and Bob were sitting right next to each other when Brad said the systems would change.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I think this situation is truly BT first and biggest fumble since taking over the GM spot.

Sure, the Flames DR may not have been the happiest with Hartley, but they knew him. They knew what to expect and the players knew how they were going to be handled.

The Optics of firing Hartley appears to be that of, BT had a guy in mind, now that coach is gone, and now BT doesn't have a chair now that the music has stopped.

I will be very disappointed if BT brings in someone who is similar to Hartley, but has a much worse track record. And sadly, all signs are pointing to this as being the case and the eventual outcome.

I guess the 3 headed goalie monster was his true first, by his own admission, so this situation is #2.

Hamilton move aside, how many poor moves will BT be allowed to make before people start considering him a problem?

I havnt lost faith in BT yet, but this clear lack of direction has me worried that it is going to lead to more knee jerk reaction in the future to cover for his mistakes.

...what?

Hartley was fired last week.

God forbid they take more than a couple days (Ottawa, Minnesota) to hire a coach. That doesn't indicate any lack of direction.

Treliving's "poor" moves are miniscule compared to the great things he's done for this team. Remember under Sutter and Feaster when we were terrified of Flames trade rumours, because it usually meant we'd be on the short end of things?

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I think this situation is truly BT first and biggest fumble since taking over the GM spot.

Sure, the Flames DR may not have been the happiest with Hartley, but they knew him. They knew what to expect and the players knew how they were going to be handled.

The Optics of firing Hartley appears to be that of, BT had a guy in mind, now that coach is gone, and now BT doesn't have a chair now that the music has stopped.

I will be very disappointed if BT brings in someone who is similar to Hartley, but has a much worse track record. And sadly, all signs are pointing to this as being the case and the eventual outcome.

I guess the 3 headed goalie monster was his true first, by his own admission, so this situation is #2.

Hamilton move aside, how many poor moves will BT be allowed to make before people start considering him a problem?

I havnt lost faith in BT yet, but this clear lack of direction has me worried that it is going to lead to more knee jerk reaction in the future to cover for his mistakes.

I could see him making a mistake if he hired Hartley, but he didn't. Hartley has a history of being a hard coach to play for. I think without all the reasons he was fired we can't pass judgement on Treliving without knowing the whole story.

This new management group obviously felt they didn't have the right coach in place and want to start fresh. I wasn't surprised Hartley was let go to be honest. Hartley took this team to the playoffs once in his four years, which I consider a failure.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yeah the fact that it took Treliving 3 weeks or so to actually fire Hartley means he wasn't pushing a panic button.

It would suggest to me that Treliving was willing to live with Hartley as the coach until someone else caught his eye or that he homed in on.

I would be shocked if Treliving didn't already have his ideal next coach picked when Hartley was fired. He will go through al the motions of due diligence, but even if it's a mystery to us right now, Treliving probably knows exactly who he wants.

Whether or not that person is still available or if he can actually land him, who knows.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I think this situation is truly BT first and biggest fumble since taking over the GM spot.

Sure, the Flames DR may not have been the happiest with Hartley, but they knew him. They knew what to expect and the players knew how they were going to be handled.

The Optics of firing Hartley appears to be that of, BT had a guy in mind, now that coach is gone, and now BT doesn't have a chair now that the music has stopped.

I will be very disappointed if BT brings in someone who is similar to Hartley, but has a much worse track record. And sadly, all signs are pointing to this as being the case and the eventual outcome.

I guess the 3 headed goalie monster was his true first, by his own admission, so this situation is #2.

Hamilton move aside, how many poor moves will BT be allowed to make before people start considering him a problem?

I havnt lost faith in BT yet, but this clear lack of direction has me worried that it is going to lead to more knee jerk reaction in the future to cover for his mistakes.

Firing Hartley isn't a mistake as the team drafted top 6 or better 3/4 seasons as head coach. Treliving was 100% correct when he said Hartley had taken the team as far as he could. Most of us here knew that Hartley would not be the coach to ultimately lead this team to Cup contender status and Treliving simply didn't want to waste another season on a coach that he didn't believe had the team playing the way they needed to compete with the elite clubs of the NHL.

The only real mistake he's made to date is the goaltending situation and in his defense Ramo/Hiller got the team to the playoffs the season before so it's not like he rolled the dice on the tandem being good enough to get them to the playoffs. It didn't work out but ever GM makes mistakes as every team has some bad contracts and some bad drafts. The key is to ensure that the good moves outnumber the bad moves and in that respect it's not even close at this stage as he's done far more good than bad.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I think this situation is truly BT first and biggest fumble since taking over the GM spot.

Sure, the Flames DR may not have been the happiest with Hartley, but they knew him. They knew what to expect and the players knew how they were going to be handled.

The Optics of firing Hartley appears to be that of, BT had a guy in mind, now that coach is gone, and now BT doesn't have a chair now that the music has stopped.

I will be very disappointed if BT brings in someone who is similar to Hartley, but has a much worse track record. And sadly, all signs are pointing to this as being the case and the eventual outcome.

I guess the 3 headed goalie monster was his true first, by his own admission, so this situation is #2.

Hamilton move aside, how many poor moves will BT be allowed to make before people start considering him a problem?

I havnt lost faith in BT yet, but this clear lack of direction has me worried that it is going to lead to more knee jerk reaction in the future to cover for his mistakes.

What are you basing your assumptions on?

No offence, but your post is out to lunch!

Optics?? Fumbled his intended hire?? You have no idea if those things are true yet you're already judging BT for them...very odd post... I suggest just waiting to see what he actually does, none of us has any idea what's to come.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think its pretty common to claim you "are not interested" or you "get your guy you always wanted" when you lose out on someone.

I am sure the flames had interest in Boudreau but when he signed with Minny there is no point in saying so, just move on to the next guy.

I would agree except for the fact that every nuance of Boudreau's 7 days on the sidelines made the news.

Minnesota has interest
Ottawa has interest
Minny flying in to see him.
6 hour interview in Ottawa
Minny steps up efforts due to long Ottawa interview

Kind of out of character to miss out on mentioning the Flames kicking the tires as the man obviously leaks everything he does.

Makes me think the Flames didn't approach him at all. Why? Maybe they thought he'd be available when Treliving got back and there wasn't a hurry. Or more likely (Francis says he has two sources supporting this) they just didn't have him in their plans.

[Stay Golden]

Hiring Yeo as HC for the Flames would be like last D turning the puck over at his own blue line.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It would suggest to me that Treliving was willing to live with Hartley as the coach until someone else caught his eye or that he homed in on.

I would be shocked if Treliving didn't already have his ideal next coach picked when Hartley was fired. He will go through al the motions of due diligence, but even if it's a mystery to us right now, Treliving probably knows exactly who he wants.

Whether or not that person is still available or if he can actually land him, who knows.

I have a feeling his coach is still coaching in the playoffs. And one might be available to talk to tomorrow. And then another might be available to talk to three days from now.

I'm guessing Housely or Muller is the guy he wants unless Hitch gets the boot.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Yeah, I won't dogpile on IgiTang, but those assumptions are way off base. It seems to me BT has a pretty clear plan. It is called due diligence.

It seems like they are only interviewing retreads (whether you like them or not), because it is the retreads that are currently available. This is a "process" (overused, but still true). It will take some time, and I think given that, he wasn't that high on Boudreau, notwithstanding his qualifications. Boudreau was going to be hired in short order.
My personal opinion is that he has a type of candidate in mind, but not necessarily a name in mind. I think the fact that this is a longer process probably means he wants to interview a number of guys still working in the playoffs (be it NHL assistants, CHL or AHL head coaches). I am more than ok with that.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Yeah, I won't dogpile on IgiTang, but those assumptions are way off base. It seems to me BT has a pretty clear plan. It is called due diligence.

It seems like they are only interviewing retreads (whether you like them or not), because it is the retreads that are currently available. This is a "process" (overused, but still true). It will take some time, and I think given that, he wasn't that high on Boudreau, notwithstanding his qualifications. Boudreau was going to be hired in short order.
My personal opinion is that he has a type of candidate in mind, but not necessarily a name in mind. I think the fact that this is a longer process probably means he wants to interview a number of guys still working in the playoffs (be it NHL assistants, CHL or AHL head coaches). I am more than ok with that.

Exactly.

He just fired one coach. The next one can't be a dud.
If anything he's doing a whole lot of CYA right now.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Firing Hartley isn't a mistake as the team drafted top 6 or better 3/4 seasons as head coach. Treliving was 100% correct when he said Hartley had taken the team as far as he could. Most of us here knew that Hartley would not be the coach to ultimately lead this team to Cup contender status and Treliving simply didn't want to waste another season on a coach that he didn't believe had the team playing the way they needed to compete with the elite clubs of the NHL.

The only real mistake he's made to date is the goaltending situation and in his defense Ramo/Hiller got the team to the playoffs the season before so it's not like he rolled the dice on the tandem being good enough to get them to the playoffs. It didn't work out but ever GM makes mistakes as every team has some bad contracts and some bad drafts. The key is to ensure that the good moves outnumber the bad moves and in that respect it's not even close at this stage as he's done far more good than bad.

The Hartley firing isn't really the problem. But he DID roll the dice on the goaltending imo. Treliving had to know the team wouldn't be able to pull of the amount of come from behind wins they did last season.

Sure they had a couple of games where goaltending stole points, but those can be counted on one hand. There was a number of games in a row where Hiller let in the first shot on net last season as well. He also spotted the Canucks a 3-0 first period lead in game 6.

Treliving had Ramo on waivers after just 3 starts coming into a brand new contract. That's not good management.

If Treliving doesn't fix his goaltending coming into next season it won't matter who he hires as the HC.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Exactly.

He just fired one coach. The next one can't be a dud.
If anything he's doing a whole lot of CYA right now.

He's covering Feaster's ass you mean? He's the guy that hired Hartley not Treliving. If anything I sense that last season's success probably forced his hand into giving him an extension (you can't fire a coach that just won the Jack Adams) as I sense he wasn't in love with the way they played despite making the playoffs.

Brad Treliving isn't covering his ass, he's just doing his job which is to continually improve the hockey team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The Hartley firing isn't really the problem. But he DID roll the dice on the goaltending imo. Treliving had to know the team wouldn't be able to pull of the amount of come from behind wins they did last season.

Sure they had a couple of games where goaltending stole points, but those can be counted on one hand. There was a number of games in a row where Hiller let in the first shot on net last season as well. He also spotted the Canucks a 3-0 first period lead in game 6.

Treliving had Ramo on waivers after just 3 starts coming into a brand new contract. That's not good management.

If Treliving doesn't fix his goaltending coming into next season it won't matter who he hires as the HC.

Ramo should have never been signed and that was a mistake but where were all these concerns and question marks in the preseason that the goaltending wasn't going to be good enough? I don't remember too many people here in the preseason proclaiming we were doomed with this threesome. The only real question marks was which one would ultimately claim the starting role and unfortunately none of them did until the damage was done. I think Treliving wasn't expecting the team to play in their own end like it was a fire drill like they did for October/November. That's all on the coach as Gio, Hamilton, Wideman, Russell etc were all terrible.