[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[the_only_turek_fan]

Emile Poirer will now get his #27.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by The_Future

I can't wait for Sven to absolutely light it up against the Flames now. Seriously any other team and he would suck, but he will probably be 100 point a season guy now.

Just call him Sven "Art Ross" Baertschi. I'm sure he'll be leading your canucks to the promised land just as soon his dad can give Benning a pep talk and get him promoted.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Emile Poirer will now get his #27.

Since when?

Love Poirier but he's not close to his NHL number yet

[ricardodw]

The RGI clearly indicated that there was absolutely no room on the Flames for Baertschi for the Next 3 years... Hudler, Gaudreau, Raymond, Granlund all ahead of him for one of the 3 non-contact forward spots.

Make fun of the RGI if you want to be foolish, but in some form all NHL GMs follow it closely (except Feaster and the bunch in Edmonton) and their breaking of the RGI rule proved its validity.

[You Need a Thneed]

It would have been nice if Sven had turned out, however, Just think of Johnny as the Flames 1st rounder, and Sven as the 4th rounder in 2011. From that standpoint, the Flames still have done fairly well with the two picks.

That we got a second rounder for a prospect like Sven shows that he's not a bust. Busts don't get you anything. The way the system works, it just hard for players like Sven to ultimately get NHL jobs with the team that drafted them.

Vancouver still thinks he can be a top 6 winger in this league, or else, they don't offer a 2nd round pick for him. Sven probably still can be that. However, he's not waiver exempt any more, which means if the Flames don't think he'll make their roster for good out of camp next season, they really have no choice but to trade him for the best return that they can.

Knowing what similar guys have returned during training camps, it might have been a lower pick coming back trying to trade him them - and that in a later draft.

All together, I doubt Sven's ceiling is nearly as high as many of us thought it might be, even if he does end up with a decent NHL career. Getting a second rounder for him is about the best we could really expect. Sucks to trade him to Vancouver, but if Vancouver was the only team offering a second rounder today, then you do that trade.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by #-3

I've thought for a while now that Baertschi could be a Colborne/Russell type pick up for another team eventually, up against waiver eligibility has quite forces his way onto the roster, but still to highly rated to be waived. Hopefully he has a bad camp gets claimed off waivers and explodes with a team other than Vancouver.

As for the return I thought it was OK, I would have be disappointed if it was a 2017 pick. I would have been vary happy if it was the 2nd this year + the 3rd in 2017 that seemed to be briefly rumored. I guess we landed somewhere in the middle, so just OK.

Well just like Colborne/Russell, it required a change of scenery.....wouldn't have happened here. FTR I think Sven will have success, I don't think it'll be enough to leave us shaking in our boots or anything.... but I still think he's a good kid with a lot of talent.

Random thought, but kind of funny that since Treliving said Vancouver's offer of a 2nd was far and away the best offer, and that Benning didn't know very much about Sven... coupled with the fact this Friedman quote: ""I happened to speak to three teams that had seen him play in Adirondack. And the review on him was universally negative. They were like, ‘He’s not really competing hard, he’s not really playing that well.’ There were beginning to wonder what the future would be and as a couple of guys said to me there’s no way Calgary can be happy with this." ...... is the only team interested the one that knows the least about him? Kind of funny.

[pylon]

I cannot believe how over rated some of you guys have Baertschi as.

Some of these comments makes it sound like we just traded Stamkos.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

To give another example, during the lockout season, Brendan Gallagher was apparently quite disappointing for many Canadiens fans.

He then played almost the entire shortened NHL season, and scored at a higher pace with Montreal than he did in Hamilton.

Too bad Sven doesn't have half the heart Gallagher does.

[JohnnySkittles]

Really have a feeling this will come to haunt us.

[Badgers Nose]

Stupid trade. Dude has somethibg to prove in same division. They better be sure he is not an nhler. Reckless imo.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Fire

Too bad Sven doesn't have half the heart Gallagher does.

Sven should have never been expected to play the same style of game as Gallagher. Always bugged me when Hartley brought it up.

That's like asking Gaudreau to play like St. Louis.

[flamesfever]

I believe, with this move and given the right opportunity, there is a good chance that Baertschi will become a successful top 6 winger in the NHL. However, with all that has transpired over the past 3+ years, it wasn't meant to happen with the Flames...C'est la vie.

It's now up to our drafting staff and management to make sure we take advantage of all those draft picks.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Well just like Colborne/Russell, it required a change of scenery.....wouldn't have happened here. FTR I think Sven will have success, I don't think it'll be enough to leave us shaking in our boots or anything.... but I still think he's a good kid with a lot of talent.

Random thought, but kind of funny that since Treliving said Vancouver's offer of a 2nd was far and away the best offer, and that Benning didn't know very much about Sven... coupled with the fact this Friedman quote: ""I happened to speak to three teams that had seen him play in Adirondack. And the review on him was universally negative. They were like, ‘He’s not really competing hard, he’s not really playing that well.’ There were beginning to wonder what the future would be and as a couple of guys said to me there’s no way Calgary can be happy with this." ...... is the only team interested the one that knows the least about him? Kind of funny.

Weisbrod's fingerprints are all over this.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Weisbrod's fingerprints are all over this.

I would say Travis Green over Weisbrod

[EldrickOnIce]

Read it earlier here, just repeating it due to it being lost:
Baertschi is this year's Berra.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I think this stems from a misunderstanding of the AHL. The AHL isn't a high-scoring league. If you put legitimate NHLers in the AHL, they don't necessarily blow the doors off the place.

Baertschi has .69 points per game at the AHL level this year. Last year, .71. Adirondack's leading scorer (Shore) has .78 ppg and most of those were scored for another team. Sven's are pretty decent numbers for a 21/22 year old, and about the same as Poirier who everyone is hyped about.

This is all basically true. But it really does a couple of things here: First, I would say that by way of comparison to Shore this rather emphatically reflects Baertschi's trade value—does anyone honestly believe that he could have possibly returned more than a second round pick?

Second, this also goes to show how quickly a player's value can diminish. YEs, Baertschi and Poirier have scored at a similar pace this season, but one is a rookie, and the other is now a third-year pro who will be turning 23 near the beginning of the next season. One has been consistently trending up for three years, while the other has shown almost no tangible progression from the beginning of his pro career.

It's possible that Poirier could one day find himself in a similar situation as Baertschi. But with time on the clock, and no apparent detractors to suggest that this is likely, he is easily a much more valuable asset today than Baertschi.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I would say Travis Green over Weisbrod

Forgot about Green. Both likely had an influence and why the value from Vancouver was highest.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Sven's are pretty decent numbers for a 21/22 year old, and about the same as Poirier who everyone is hyped about.

But Poirier is 2 years younger and looks better now. Besides if Emile doesn't turn out to be a big scorer, it's easy to see him being a good bottom 6er. Baertschi is scorer or bust. He reminds me a lot of Dustin Boyd actually, wouldnt be suprised to see him follow a similar path. Apparently he's also a whiny little b**** as well... so good riddance.

[Bonded]

Don't really like it.

Less about the value, more about it being done with the Canucks.
I think Sven has a decent chance of breaking out, the second is a second, with what, a 20% chance of producing a NHL player?

Should have just let Sven take himself to Europe or Russia.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The RGI clearly indicated that there was absolutely no room on the Flames for Baertschi for the Next 3 years... Hudler, Gaudreau, Raymond, Granlund all ahead of him for one of the 3 non-contact forward spots.

Make fun of the RGI if you want to be foolish, but in some form all NHL GMs follow it closely (except Feaster and the bunch in Edmonton) and their breaking of the RGI rule proved its validity.

lol

Sven asked for a trade. This has nothing to do with your ridiculous stat.