Evander Kane tracksuit saga

[Locke]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

What Tranny said. As far as professional as he could be.

His agent is in damage control.

How long before we see more photos of him in Vegas "recovering" from his injury?

No kidding, if his shoulder so direly requires surgery he should probably refrain from doing pushups with weights on his back.

That cant be good for his shoulder. Maybe theres some contributory negligence there.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This is entirely and 100% on Kane....to suggest other wise is goofy.

He is the one who has had the transgressions, he is the one who was late and wore inappropriate clothing and from all reports he is the one who quit on his teammates not only in Vancouver, but now again for the remainder of the season.

He is as far from being a professional as he could be....the only thing he hasn't done is gone public whining about how he was treated and demanding a trade.

Hopefully he grabs a clue and grows up. He has all the tools to be a dominating player in the league but his toolbox seems woefully inadequate.

Any team acquiring him, regardless of cost, is playing with fire in regards to their locker room.

This is dragging on way to long so this is the last I'm gonna talk about this but I agree with what you said. However I still don't think Byfuglien is free and clear. He's suppose to be a leader and he did something immature. There was no intent of improving the situation it was purely trying to get under Kanes skin. He's suppose to be a leader on the team and trying to get a reaction out of Kane was not the way to handle the situation and will likely end up costing the team. How they handled the situation before this I don't know. Maybe they were pros maybe they wernt. To assume we know what led up to this is speculation. How Kane is with his next team will probably be our best indication .

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Never said that. Just think other people are at fault as well. Poorly handled situation from players to coaches to management.

He brought all of this drama on himself. The guy needs to man up and take accountability for his actions. Only he is at fault here.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is dragging on way to long so this is the last I'm gonna talk about this but I agree with what you said. However I still don't think Byfuglien is free and clear. He's suppose to be a leader and he did something immature. There was no intent of improving the situation it was purely trying to get under Kanes skin. He's suppose to be a leader on the team and trying to get a reaction out of Kane was not the way to handle the situation and will likely end up costing the team. How they handled the situation before this I don't know. Maybe they were pros maybe they wernt. To assume we know what led up to this is speculation. How Kane is with his next team will probably be our best indication .

what was Byfuglien supposed to do? Run and tell the teacher ... er ... I mean Coach?

Stop making excuses. It only reinforces the negative behavior that needs to change.

[Machiavelli]

This is actually hilarious.

Not to absolve Kane of any blame, but the biggest goat in all of this is Cheveldayoff. I'm starting to wonder if he just rode Bowman's coattails, because this guy is proving to be inept at GM.

There have been rumours for many months that Kane wasn't happy, but instead of the Jets getting rid of him while he still had some value, they allowed the problem child to fester.

Now it's come to the point where the dressing room relationships appear to be fractured beyond repair, to the point where Kane would rather have surgery than go to battle with his teammates. When he eventually does return, it'll be as damaged goods (literally), and there will be basically no option but to trade him. Of course the entire hockey world knows this, and now his value is likely at the nadir of his career.

Well done, Jets. May you continue to struggle in mediocrity..

[White Out 403]

well, that's a little harsh. even if Colorado, Dallas and Minny won every single one of their games in hand the Jets would still hold a playoff position Mach.

Kane is a petulant child. I blame chevy for not trading him too, but, the Jets went out of the way to try and help this idiot out. Kane is 90% to blame here and his stupid, arrogant, selfish attitude.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

This is actually hilarious.

Not to absolve Kane of any blame, but the biggest goat in all of this is Cheveldayoff. I'm starting to wonder if he just rode Bowman's coattails, because this guy is proving to be inept at GM.

There have been rumours for many months that Kane wasn't happy, but instead of the Jets getting rid of him while he still had some value, they allowed the problem child to fester.

Now it's come to the point where the dressing room relationships appear to be fractured beyond repair, to the point where Kane would rather have surgery than go to battle with his teammates. When he eventually does return, it'll be as damaged goods (literally), and there will be basically no option but to trade him. Of course the entire hockey world knows this, and now his value is likely at the nadir of his career.

Well done, Jets. May you continue to struggle in mediocrity..

The biggest goat is Kane. Period.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

This is actually hilarious.

Not to absolve Kane of any blame, but the biggest goat in all of this is Cheveldayoff. I'm starting to wonder if he just rode Bowman's coattails, because this guy is proving to be inept at GM.

I think Cheveldayoff is a GM all to content to do nothing and mire in mediocrity instead of taking a risk. There was a great article over the summer about how little he actually does in trading.

http://illegalcurve.com/2014/07/14/a...jets-returned/

I would be willing to bet that he was willing to stay still and hope that the problem went away as oppose to move a young player and possibly make a mistake.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

This is actually hilarious.

Not to absolve Kane of any blame, but the biggest goat in all of this is Cheveldayoff. I'm starting to wonder if he just rode Bowman's coattails, because this guy is proving to be inept at GM.

There have been rumours for many months that Kane wasn't happy, but instead of the Jets getting rid of him while he still had some value, they allowed the problem child to fester.

..

Not trading Kane was the 2nd biggest mistake he made in all this. The first was that he seriously though that Kane would grow out of his behaviour by now.

Like a lot of the people that voted 'yes' in the poll, he thought there was hope for him.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not trading Kane was the 2nd biggest mistake he made in all this. The first was that he seriously though that Kane would grow out of his behaviour by now.

Like a lot of the people that voted 'yes' in the poll, he thought there was hope for him.

Meh, I don't think you can fully write Kane off @ 23-24 years of age. Half of the problem is I thin he simply never wanted to stay in WPG/ATL.
Which then begs the question, why di he sign that deal then? RFA status and who's going to turn down that kind of dough.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by kirant

I think Cheveldayoff is a GM all to content to do nothing and mire in mediocrity instead of taking a risk. There was a great article over the summer about how little he actually does in trading.

http://illegalcurve.com/2014/07/14/a...jets-returned/

I would be willing to bet that he was willing to stay still and hope that the problem went away as oppose to move a young player and possibly make a mistake.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not trading Kane was the 2nd biggest mistake he made in all this. The first was that he seriously though that Kane would grow out of his behaviour by now.

Like a lot of the people that voted 'yes' in the poll, he thought there was hope for him.

Don't think it's fair to say that Cheveldayoff is completely incompetent for not trading Kane, especially now we can look at it retrospectively.
We've got a number of posters and I'd imagine many people who think other organizations could turn this kid around and reap the benefit of a top 6 power forward who can score boatload of goals. Is it wrong to imagine that Winnipeg considered and gambled for the same? I believe the Jets even brought in Kane's parents at one point to help him acclimatize to the team and whatnot. They wanted him to succeed. They made a mistake in not shipping out Kane from the start? Sure, I don't think anybody disagrees. Saying that they were turning a blind eye to what is ultimately a spoiled person is just wrong.

[Hackey]

Who knew that a complete stranger wearing the wrong clothes to work could bring such passion out of people. How lucky we are to live in a society where these are our concerns.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

This is actually hilarious.

Not to absolve Kane of any blame, but the biggest goat in all of this is Cheveldayoff. I'm starting to wonder if he just rode Bowman's coattails, because this guy is proving to be inept at GM.

There have been rumours for many months that Kane wasn't happy, but instead of the Jets getting rid of him while he still had some value, they allowed the problem child to fester.

Now it's come to the point where the dressing room relationships appear to be fractured beyond repair, to the point where Kane would rather have surgery than go to battle with his teammates. When he eventually does return, it'll be as damaged goods (literally), and there will be basically no option but to trade him. Of course the entire hockey world knows this, and now his value is likely at the nadir of his career.

Well done, Jets. May you continue to struggle in mediocrity..

Wanna bet? Watch him "chevy" this situation

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Anduril

Don't think it's fair to say that Cheveldayoff is completely incompetent for not trading Kane, especially now we can look at it retrospectively.
We've got a number of posters and I'd imagine many people who think other organizations could turn this kid around and reap the benefit of a top 6 power forward who can score boatload of goals. Is it wrong to imagine that Winnipeg considered and gambled for the same? I believe the Jets even brought in Kane's parents at one point to help him acclimatize to the team and whatnot. They wanted him to succeed. They made a mistake in not shipping out Kane from the start? Sure, I don't think anybody disagrees. Saying that they were turning a blind eye to what is ultimately a spoiled person is just wrong.

It's not wrong to imagine that (I was doing the same thing), but it doesn't mean that it wasn't a mistake.

I never said he was completely incompetent for not trading Kane (or for any reason), just that taking a gamble on Kane was the biggest mistake he made.

[Scrambler]

Listening to Coache's Corner today when Grapes ranted about Kane was quite entertaining.

[killer_carlson]

Grapes called him. For those who missed it, Cherry said that he was a guy who had Kane's back with the photos of the money and as recently as 2 weeks ago showed him on the show for his work in a game. Cherry was ticked because this embarasses him for having had his back. Even called out the alleged injury. Said he has 4 months to decide to be a hockey player or a jerk.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Who knew that a complete stranger wearing the wrong clothes to work could bring such passion out of people. How lucky we are to live in a society where these are our concerns.

I don't believe you are this clueless about the real issues here and the fact it isn't about what he wore but that it is just a sign of how little respect he has for the team. So I'm guessing this is just you being contrarian again for the sake of doing it.
And at no point did anyone suggest this is a big problem for society so that comment is just a waste.
Where's that This Post Is Terrible guy when you need him?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Grapes called him. For those who missed it, Cherry said that he was a guy who had Kane's back with the photos of the money and as recently as 2 weeks ago showed him on the show for his work in a game. Cherry was ticked because this embarasses him for having had his back. Even called out the alleged injury. Said he has 4 months to decide to be a hockey player or a jerk.

As far as the alleged injury, I believe he was leaving towards the timing, saying he isn't fooling anyone.

It has been known for some time that he had an injury eventually requiring surgery. Suddenly after track suit gate, when he fell out with his teammates, either :

A) Medical diagnosis changed and surgery became immediately necessary, despite no game action in the interim, or
B) he perhaps realized his time was done there, quit on the team and chose his out

It is pretty darn easy to lean towards B)

So I don't think Cherry was calling out the validity of the injury, more the decision on timing of surgery.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

As far as the alleged injury, I believe he was leaving towards the timing, saying he isn't fooling anyone.

It has been known for some time that he had an injury eventually requiring surgery. Suddenly after track suit gate, when he fell out with his teammates, either :

A) Medical diagnosis changed and surgery became immediately necessary, despite no game action in the interim, or
B) he perhaps realized his time was done there, quit on the team and chose his out

It is pretty darn easy to lean towards B)

So I don't think Cherry was calling out the validity of the injury, more the decision on timing of surgery.

Kane has a history of playing through injuries, even though Jets medical staff has warned against it. In fact, towards the very end of Claude Maurice tenure of Jets head coach, Kane was not cleared to play. He then went to the media saying he was "benched" and was perfectly healthy. It was the straw that broke the camel's back for Noel, and within a week, he was fired.

Kane was advised to have surgery on his shoulder by doctors in the summer. He refused and played through the season. And now he chooses to have surgery a day after the locker room incident? If this decision does not reek of spitefulness, I don't know what does.

[sureLoss]