2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I completely disagree.

He is an elite finisher but when Gaudreau and Ferland aren’t feeding him in the slot, he contributes almost nothing either offensively or defensively

The strange thing is, when Gaudreau went down last year, Monahan really seemed to become more of a driver and less of a passenger. He has the skills to be a 1c but just seems like he’s happy to let Gaudreau do all the work most of the time

Edit: I’ll add that perhaps his defensive shortcomings might be a product of how average to bad Gaudreau is in the defensive zone. Monahan never really seems to make the bad d zone plays but he doesn’t have much success when compared to the other centres imo

This may be because there’s only one puck...so when Johnny is healthy, he’s the puck carrier by design, and when he’s not there, it goes to Monahan.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I completely disagree.

He is an elite finisher but when Gaudreau and Ferland aren’t feeding him in the slot, he contributes almost nothing either offensively or defensively

The strange thing is, when Gaudreau went down last year, Monahan really seemed to become more of a driver and less of a passenger. He has the skills to be a 1c but just seems like he’s happy to let Gaudreau do all the work most of the time

Edit: I’ll add that perhaps his defensive shortcomings might be a product of how average to bad Gaudreau is in the defensive zone. Monahan never really seems to make the bad d zone plays but he doesn’t have much success when compared to the other centres imo

I actually agree with a lot of this. Monahan is as good of a finisher as they come. But his defensive ability is not at the same level as other #1 centers in this league or even on his own team. He doesn’t break up as many plays or out muscle or out position players down low enough and that’s a big reason why the 1st is hemmed in their own zone for entire shifts at times. He needs to work on this to truly elevate this line to the next level.

The other criticism I have is his ability to exit the zone and enter the zone. I actually think that Backlund and to a lesser extent, Jankowski are better than Monahan at this. Now the good thing is he has Gaudreau on his line who is phenomenal at this despite being a winger as he’s limited with the boards being in his way and all. He gets away with not having to do this as much, but he needs to improve on this as well. If he does improve these things even a little, he could become an elite #1 center IMO.

[yourbestfriend]

Monahan is actually pretty horrible at gaining the offensive zone. His defacto move is to give it to Johnny or bump it to the D. He doesn't have the edge work or agility to buy himself time and space. Not that it really matters when he has Johnny riding shotgun.

His money maker is his shot and IQ which allows him to get to the right spot at the right time (which is an insanely underrated skill in itself)

[genetic_phreek]

To Leafs: Stone, Poirier, Stajan, 3rd rounder
To Flames: JVR

[Robbob]

JVR has Calgary on his no trade list

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

To Leafs: Stone, Poirier, Stajan, 3rd rounder
To Flames: JVR

I just read that the Leafs are at 50 contracts, so this wouldn't work.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I just read that the Leafs are at 50 contracts, so this wouldn't work.

Well that and Toronto wouldn't even entertain a full length phone call with that proposal, regardless of contract limits.

[djsFlames]

Flames get a scoring winger now while they're on a high and they could really go on a run.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Well that and Toronto wouldn't even entertain a full length phone call with that proposal, regardless of contract limits.

Hmm, why not? Aside from the "throw-ins", is a deal for a UFA JVR for a signed (for 3 years) at a reasonable $ ($3.5/year) right handed dman in Stone, all that off from a value perspective?

I wouldn't make the deal mind you, but the leafs are looking for a physical, defensive dman, with a right handed shot. Stone seems like something i think they might look at without having to give up any of their core pieces/assets.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Robbob

JVR has Calgary on his no trade list

Damn, didn't even know that. I guess it was more fantasy than reality.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Hmm, why not? Aside from the "throw-ins", is a deal for a UFA JVR for a signed (for 3 years) at a reasonable $ ($3.5/year) right handed dman in Stone, all that off from a value perspective?

I wouldn't make the deal mind you, but the leafs are looking for a physical, defensive dman, with a right handed shot. Stone seems like something i think they might look at without having to give up any of their core pieces/assets.

JVR has far more value than a bottom pairing d-man( even if Stone is probably one of the better #5's in the league). Not to mention the "throw ins" have no value (Porier) to negative value (Stajan). TO would hang up the phone in a second.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

JVR has far more value than a bottom pairing d-man. Not to mention the "throw ins" have no value (Porier) to negative value (Stajan). TO would hang up the phone in a second.

Stone is a top 4 on most teams, probably #4 on Toronto after Rielly, Gardiner and Zaitsev. Not saying Toronto would take it, but a top 4 dman with a good contract for a guy who may either ask for too much money or not sign is on the right track

[kukkudo]

JVR probably fetches a 1st round pick for the Leafs at the deadline. It depends what they want.

[dino7c]

not necessarily talking about this trade but no trade lists are not set in stone...players have to submit them before the season, with some guys it covers 2/3rds of the league. Basically they just give the player more control, they can still decide if its a good situation for them when the time comes.

[jayswin]

If Stone was really considered a top 4 D-man on a good contract then wouldn't he have been minimum $4mil/yr this summer in free agency.

He's good, I like him for what he is, but I don't think he's seen as top 4 league wide.

[442scotty]

Please please please no trades with the leafs unless it’s Brodie for Marner straight up

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

To Leafs: Stone, Poirier, Stajan, 3rd rounder
To Flames: JVR

Originally Posted by Robbob

JVR has Calgary on his no trade list

Originally Posted by dino7c

not necessarily talking about this trade but no trade lists are not set in stone..

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

not necessarily talking about this trade but no trade lists are not set in stone...players have to submit them before the season, with some guys it covers 2/3rds of the league. Basically they just give the player more control, they can still decide if its a good situation for them when the time comes.

Really? I had never heard of this. I know there's announced modified no trades that we usually know the details of, eg: full no trade first three years, then 10 teams the fourth year etc

But I thought a negotiated no trade list was set in stone unless the player wanted to remove teams.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But I thought a negotiated no trade list was set in stone unless the player wanted to remove teams.

Isn't that was he was inferring with "they can still decide if its a good situation for them when the time comes"?

Maybe player X last year put Vegas on his no trade list. Now he's playing for a bottom 3rd team that wants to move him and all of a sudden Vegas doesn't look so bad so he opts to modify his list etc.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Really? I had never heard of this. I know there's announced modified no trades that we usually know the details of, eg: full no trade first three years, then 10 teams the fourth year etc

But I thought a negotiated no trade list was set in stone unless the player wanted to remove teams.

That is what I mean...the player can waive the no trade at any time, things change. Some guys have 20 team lists and they make them before the season.