The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s a simple question, don’t see why it would be a “gotcha.”

The false equivalency posed against supporting business today involved in Nazi Germany 90 years ago doesn’t make sense. If you buy a Hugo Boss suit today, your money isn’t going to support Nazi Germany. If you buy a Tesla today, your money IS going to support a nazi (or neo-nazi, or guy who makes nazi gestures while praising neo-nazis, however you want to call it). These aren’t even relatively the same thing.

The full scope of the holocaust wasn’t immediately known, but it’s not like people had no idea who the Nazis were. There was a whole boycott of Nazi-adjacent businesses in America in the late 30/early 40s.

So again, easy question: Was it right or wrong for people to support Nazi-supporting businesses during and immediately after WWII?

Ugh, I'm going against myself, but you're a good at what you do.

Okay, I'll do this. First, I did answer your question. I suggested it was neither as support was more likely to be out of ignorance than anything. But, that answer didn't get to where you wanted to go.

So, let's do this and you'll be able happy you nailed yet another fellow poster.

All things being equal, it was wrong to support those companies. Now, you'll say "what makes it right to do now?". And I'll say "it's not right to do now". Then you'll say "then you do judge people who buy Tesla's". And, there you go, you got me.

Well played sir, well played.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Ugh, I'm going against myself, but you're a good at what you do.

Okay, I'll do this. First, I did answer your question. I suggested it was neither as support was more likely to be out of ignorance than anything. But, that answer didn't get to where you wanted to go.

So, let's do this and you'll be able happy you nailed yet another fellow poster.

All things being equal, it was wrong to support those companies. Now, you'll say "what makes it right to do now?". And I'll say "it's not right to do now". Then you'll say "then you do judge people who buy Tesla's". And, there you go, you got me.

Well played sir, well played.

Thanks, I’m pretty clever. Appreciate you doing all the work for me.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Elon Musk is glaringly unpopular with Americans, and him taking such a visible role in Trump's government will have a dampening effect on Trumps popularity. I suspect some friction in the future with Trump seeing Musk taking headlines and pushing down approval ratings/being the ideal scapegoat when things inevitably get challenging and the honeymoon phase is over. Additionally with Musk's hubris at an all time max he will make mistakes and those mistakes will affect Trumps base.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/0...trump-00202833

New internal polling, conducted on behalf of House Majority Forward, a nonprofit aligned with House Democratic leadership, found Musk is viewed negatively among 1,000 registered voters in battleground districts. Just 43 percent approve of him and 51 percent view him unfavorably. The poll, conducted by the Democratic firm Impact Research and completed between Jan. 19 to 25, also found that Musk evoked strong negative feelings. Of the 51 percent who disapproved of him, 43 percent did so strongly.

The survey isn’t a one-off, either. An Economist/YouGov poll published on Wednesday also found Musk’s approval rating underwater, 43 percent favorable to 49 percent unfavorable.

A poll by Garin’s Hart Research of 1,735 voters taken between Jan. 24 and Jan. 30 found that a majority — including 56 percent of independents — have a negative view of Musk.

[Fuzz]

Ye is having a morning...

NSFW!

[Fuzz]

NSFW!

Hennesy had me crack right up. Boy be snappin'.

[CroFlames]

Funny how George Soros was this great big boogyman billionaire in the background pulling all the strings and conservatives would lose their #### over it. And it was based on nothing.

Now Elon who is 1000x richer than Soros, is OPENLY pulling the strings and conservatives are just "lol cry more liberal"

[Mr.Coffee]

So Kanye West is a nazi eh? Interesting. He should maybe do a deep dive on Nazis and how they felt about black people too.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

So Kanye West is a nazi eh? Interesting. He should maybe do a deep dive on Nazis and how they felt about black people too.

I dont know if he's a Nazi or just genuinely insane, but that guy has not been on the mental 'straight and narrow' for a long time now.

And frankly, I dont care what he is.

[Icantwhisper]

Thank goodness nobody is acting more like a Nazi than Musk!
Certainly we wouldn't all stand by and watch an entire culture be exterminated.
Awkward gesture is the bar for being a Nazi now?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Thank goodness nobody is acting more like a Nazi than Musk!
Certainly we wouldn't all stand by and watch an entire culture be exterminated.
Awkward gesture is the bar for being a Nazi now?

I mean, the two nazi salutes should be the obvious red flag, but trying to get the AFD(which as actual Neo-nazis running it) elected, re-xitting nazi hate, advocating that only white South Africans are good immigrants, and running an entire propaganda platform that not only doesn't disallow racist nazi posts, but promotes and makes money from them...well, where do you want the bar to be?

[troutman]

“Donald Trump will be there at the game. [superbowl] He said — this is fun — he said he’s going to let Elon pick the winner this year.” — JIMMY KIMMEL

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I mean, the two nazi salutes should be the obvious red flag, but trying to get the AFD(which as actual Neo-nazis running it) elected, re-xitting nazi hate, advocating that only white South Africans are good immigrants, and running an entire propaganda platform that not only doesn't disallow racist nazi posts, but promotes and makes money from them...well, where do you want the bar to be?

I'm going to side with Israel (on this issue only) and the US defamation league and say that while not appropriate and awkward it wasn't meant as a Nazi salute.
X or twitter or whatever it is is obligated to follow the law, car makers don't make speed limits, twitter doesn't make the law for what is legal to say and what isn't.
Asking a corporation to decide such things seems like what we are trying to avoid.

[Engine09]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

while not appropriate and awkward it wasn't meant as a Nazi salute.

Well, he has you fooled as well. You really gotta bend over backwards to argue your way out of that, pretty damn obvious. Maybe you need to look into his family history or the other insane #### he's done.

Don't know what else to tell you if you're determined to overlook what's glaringly obvious.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I'm going to side with Israel (on this issue only) and the US defamation league and say that while not appropriate and awkward it wasn't meant as a Nazi salute.
X or twitter or whatever it is is obligated to follow the law, car makers don't make speed limits, twitter doesn't make the law for what is legal to say and what isn't.
Asking a corporation to decide such things seems like what we are trying to avoid.

These are things a nazi apologist might say. When people start telling me that when I see a nazi salute, I'm supposed to interpret it as not a nazi salute, and just an "awkward gesture" done twice(big accident!), a rational person will believe their own eyes. And when the person who does the nazi salute celebrates the good reactions he gets from nazis, and also does not deny he did a nazi salute, I further have to take those facts into consideration.


And then when actual reporters write articles like this about the content on his platform:

NBC News found that at least 150 paid “Premium” subscriber X accounts and thousands of unpaid accounts have posted or amplified pro-Nazi content on X in recent months, often in apparent violation of X’s rules. The paid accounts posting the content all consistently posted antisemitic or pro-Nazi material. Examples included praise of Nazi soldiers, sharing of Nazi symbols and denials of the Holocaust.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...nts-rcna145020


I have to question what type of person would own a platform like that, and want to be associated with that content, which could easily be removed if he cared to. Because he does not remove it, that tells me even more. And please don't try to free speech an excuse for this, because he removes loads of content he doesn't like. Fuhrther indication he may like this content.


Now, this is just skimming the surface, so you can choose to remain ignorant of who he is, or you can go look for yourself, but I'd urge you not to blindly defend nazis while being unaware of the full picture. Because you know what they say about people who make excuses for Nazis...

[devo22]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Elon Musk has done nothing to earn even a sliver of a benefit of a doubt.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by devo22

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Elon Musk has done nothing to earn even a sliver of a benefit of a doubt.

Spoiler!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I'm going to side with Israel (on this issue only) and the US defamation league and say that while not appropriate and awkward it wasn't meant as a Nazi salute.
X or twitter or whatever it is is obligated to follow the law, car makers don't make speed limits, twitter doesn't make the law for what is legal to say and what isn't.
Asking a corporation to decide such things seems like what we are trying to avoid.

Love how you patiently had explained to you Musk’s direct actions that have been supportive of neo-nazi groups and your response was “erm, corporations don’t decide free speech?”

I guess nobody has ever accused nazi-sympathizers of being smart.

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know if he's a Nazi or just genuinely insane, but that guy has not been on the mental 'straight and narrow' for a long time now.

And frankly, I dont care what he is.

Could be both.

Would an insane Nazi be nice and normal?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by devo22

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Elon Musk has done nothing to earn even a sliver of a benefit of a doubt.

You spelt dick wrong.

[Icantwhisper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g