2025 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Dan02

You guys do realize they're still in the drivers seat right? Just gotta win

In the drivers seat driving in the wrong direction. If you’re just looking at a snapshot of the standings then that’s a reasonable take. If you have watched this team since Bo got hurt it would actually seem lucky to even be where they are at right now. Offense is awful, starters are only average, and they have no closer. September / October separates the wheat from the chaff and this team is a fraud and unfortunately making the Wild Card might have bought Atkins another couple years.

One week ago tonight they were 5.0 games up on the Yankees with the tie breaker with 5 games against sub .500 teams upcoming. Any team with any postseason aspirations of doing any damage in the postseason would have found a way to win a couple more of those games in the middle of a pennant race. Instead 5 losses later and they are only up 1.0 games.Total frauds!

[browna]

Originally Posted by Kidder

Why would John Schneider not get himself tossed after that Springer foul ball over the bag followed by strike 3 three inches off plate?

Fire up your guys and the building. If there was a time for a tirade, that was it.

Yup. I said that before the final Royals game. Get some fire going.
This team is cruising into the playoffs like they did vs the Twins. Vlad just watching balls go last him at the plate.

Of course Bo will be deemed the saviour but he won’t have played a game in at least two weeks.

Click on after the game and the producers and Campbell decide to start off the post game analysis complaining about the foul ball call in the freaking 4th inning and mention the conspiracy theory against the Jays. Really was pathetic.
At least Siddel, before he even was forced to talk about it, said the Jays aren’t winning if they don’t score runs.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Crochet tomorrow. Rays to finish out. They're playing for homefield in the wildcard.

Magic number for that is 1. I doubt very much the Jays lose the next 5 straight AND the Red Sox win 5 straight, although of course the first two for each are the same game.

Still, that's 8 different games that have to go a certain way - not a very likely parlay imo.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Magic number for that is 1. I doubt very much the Jays lose the next 5 straight AND the Red Sox win 5 straight, although of course the first two for each are the same game.

Still, that's 8 different games that have to go a certain way - not a very likely parlay imo.

Placing my bet now. Money always helps alleviate the pain.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

In the drivers seat driving in the wrong direction. If you’re just looking at a snapshot of the standings then that’s a reasonable take. If you have watched this team since Bo got hurt it would actually seem lucky to even be where they are at right now. Offense is awful, starters are only average, and they have no closer. September / October separates the wheat from the chaff and this team is a fraud and unfortunately making the Wild Card might have bought Atkins another couple years.

One week ago tonight they were 5.0 games up on the Yankees with the tie breaker with 5 games against sub .500 teams upcoming. Any team with any postseason aspirations of doing any damage in the postseason would have found a way to win a couple more of those games in the middle of a pennant race. Instead 5 losses later and they are only up 1.0 games.Total frauds!

Pitching has really not been an issue this past stretch, the offense is complete and utter garbage.

[MillerTime GFG]

This is why I haven’t allowed myself to get emotionally invested into this team. I’ve seen this movie before!!

[Inferno]

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[EN FUEGO]

Polymarket is interesting on this one....basically looking like a coin flip over there although all the recent bets are on NYY: https://polymarket.com/event/al-east-division-winner

The Jays control their own destiny...even if the Yankees win out, the Jays just need a win today and I think it's very doable. That gives them the option to lose one to TB over the weekend OR to lose to Boston tomorrow in that Yankees scenario.

I'm going to predict the Yankees lose 2 games total anyway...the Jays aren't the only team capable of melting down when it matters most.

[Hockey]

If Jays win tonight they win the division. IMO

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

Polymarket is interesting on this one....basically looking like a coin flip over there although all the recent bets are on NYY: https://polymarket.com/event/al-east-division-winner

The Jays control their own destiny...even if the Yankees win out, the Jays just need a win today and I think it's very doable. That gives them the option to lose one to TB over the weekend OR to lose to Boston tomorrow in that Yankees scenario.

I'm going to predict the Yankees lose 2 games total anyway...the Jays aren't the only team capable of melting down when it matters most.

The betting line showing a 54% probability of the Yankees winning the AL East is about right or even pessimistic from a Yankees perspective if you ask me.

The Jays need 3-4 wins period. I personally don't see the Yanks losing 2 games in 5 to Baltimore and the White Sox at home in a pennant race unless that second loss comes after they hem up the division due to Jays loses.

So really the Jays probability of winning the division comes down to their ability to play .600 - .800 baseball in 5 games at home against the Red Sox and Rays. If they cannot do it, it probably also speaks to how next week won't go well in the Wild Card either given they will be playing the Red Sox likely at home with the same pitching match ups.

These are arguably just as high stakes games as the Wild Card series on ability to go deep in the playoffs.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Hockey

If Jays win tonight they win the division. IMO

They will also need tomorrow's game and if not a sweep of the Rays on the weekend.

[EN FUEGO]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

These are arguably just as high stakes games as the Wild Card series on ability to go deep in the playoffs.

I mostly agree there. A silver lining way to look at it is....if they can't win 3/5 against the lower wild card team and a non playoff team (which I think will give them a pretty good shot), there's not much point in them being in the playoffs anyway. BUT they have earned themselves a position (through gritty comeback wins/close games) where they would still get in and have another chance if they fail to do that. Most of us have been awaiting the (seemingly inevitable reality) of some kind of Yankee surge or jays let down to bump us out of first for months. I'm honestly impressed that we are still in first, although obviously not impressed with the recent offensive output. The Yankees also just do not scare me as a team. I think what they showed in the world series is who they are.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

I mostly agree there. A silver lining way to look at it is....if they can't win 3/5 against the lower wild card team and a non playoff team (which I think will give them a pretty good shot), there's not much point in them being in the playoffs anyway. BUT they have earned themselves a position (through gritty comeback wins/close games) where they would still get in and have another chance if they fail to do that. Most of us have been awaiting the (seemingly inevitable reality) of some kind of Yankee surge or jays let down to bump us out of first for months. I'm honestly impressed that we are still in first, although obviously not impressed with the recent offensive output. The Yankees also just do not scare me as a team. I think what they showed in the world series is who they are.

As far as winning the World Series goes there's probably 3-4 NL teams who are better constructed to win than any AL team. Dodgers, Phillies, Brewers, and Padres are more likely to win in a matchup against the AL (Unless Seattle is September version of Seattle and just mows down everyone en route to the series).

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

As far as winning the World Series goes there's probably 3-4 NL teams who are better constructed to win than any AL team. Dodgers, Phillies, Brewers, and Padres are more likely to win in a matchup against the AL (Unless Seattle is September version of Seattle and just mows down everyone en route to the series).

I'd consider the Cubs as a possible "better than everyone in the AL" team as well. The NL is definitely stronger this year, which is why the Jays are still first in the AL with their current record (which in most years would be solidly wild card).

Hopefully the Jays make it out of the AL and the NL has beat up the eventual winner.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

I mostly agree there. A silver lining way to look at it is....if they can't win 3/5 against the lower wild card team and a non playoff team (which I think will give them a pretty good shot), there's not much point in them being in the playoffs anyway. BUT they have earned themselves a position (through gritty comeback wins/close games) where they would still get in and have another chance if they fail to do that. Most of us have been awaiting the (seemingly inevitable reality) of some kind of Yankee surge or jays let down to bump us out of first for months. I'm honestly impressed that we are still in first, although obviously not impressed with the recent offensive output. The Yankees also just do not scare me as a team. I think what they showed in the world series is who they are.

Basically they have 2 chances to make the ALDS. if they win 3 of the next 5 games they are almost certainly in.

If not, then they have to win 2 out of the next 3 in the wild card round.

This team had one huge run in the middle but the difference between them and say the Tigers (or even the Twins who had a huge run at the start) is that they've consistently played a bit better than 500 ball the rest of the time.

If they can do 1 game better than 500 ball every week from now on they win the WS.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I personally don't see the Yanks losing 2 games in 5 to Baltimore and the White Sox at home in a pennant race unless that second loss comes after they hem up the division due to Jays loses.

You never know when the Yankees ugly defense is going to rear it's head and when it does it comes in bunches and not a one off.

[Inferno]

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[Party Elephant]

[EN FUEGO]

So, uh....does Scherzer have anything left in the tank? I think that would be a real boost to this worn out team if the old man can bring it tonight.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

So, uh....does Scherzer have anything left in the tank? I think that would be a real boost to this worn out team if the old man can bring it tonight.

Scherzer starting is a bit of a concern. I’m not super enthusiastic about them starting him, though i suspect theres a backup ling reliever in the waiting ahould he falter early.