The ongoing X and Elon Musk Transgressions Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

There was a thread here a few months ago about a discount on Teslas, and a lot of folks seemed to be "no goddamn way".

I'd love an EV. But I wouldn't touch a Tesla in a million years at this point. Don't imagine it's just me.

I saw one of those bumper stickers a few days ago "I bought this before I knew how bad he was". That's people trying to excuse driving around with that logo.

Depreciation on EV's is pretty bad so plenty of Tesla drivers can't easily just move on to something different without taking a financial hit so people should be mindful that just because someone is driving a Tesla, it doesn't mean they support Elon or Trump.

[WideReceiver]

My son-in-law has a Tesla and he hates Trump and Musk. He just made a horrible purchase decision, in my opinion

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Obviously Musk's actions are very recent history, but people have short memories. It's tough to avoid companies with shady histories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._the_Holocaust

My point is, I don't think people should be instantly judged for a vehicle they drive or clothes they wear or companies they work for.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Obviously Musk's actions are very recent history, but people have short memories. It's tough to avoid companies with shady histories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._the_Holocaust

My point is, I don't think people should be instantly judged for a vehicle they drive or clothes they wear or companies they work for.

Supporting a company run by someone actively supporting neo-nazis today is a little different than supporting a company who was run by someone who actively supported nazis 90 years ago.

[Monahammer]

Tesla's are also just ####ty cars. Steering way to tight, like a go cart. Strange steps in the shifting. Charging costs almost as much as filling gas tank for long trips if using supercharger. Superchargers often busy so you have to wait 20 minutes then wait the 20 minutes to charge. Worst safety ratings in entire auto industry.

Why would anyone buy one of these unless they are brainwashed?

[PepsiFree]

Riding in a Tesla feels like you’re in a 20-year old Honda Civic weighted like an F-350.

[ResAlien]

The only good thing about Teslas is you can cut them off anytime, especially to get into traffic when they speed up to block you because of their auto braking sensor thing. Makes teaching their drivers a little lesson kinda fun.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Tesla's are also just ####ty cars. Steering way to tight, like a go cart. Strange steps in the shifting. Charging costs almost as much as filling gas tank for long trips if using supercharger. Superchargers often busy so you have to wait 20 minutes then wait the 20 minutes to charge. Worst safety ratings in entire auto industry.

Why would anyone buy one of these unless they are brainwashed?

I love driving our Tesla around the city, best car ever for that, and great in short trips too. Just a blast.

And I hate that we bought it.

[Sliver]

Meh, Teslas are neat and a cool additional option for people who enjoy different brands and different driving and/or ownership experiences.

The straight line performance of a Model 3 or S Performance is mind blowing.

I do too much road tripping and cold weather out-of-town travel to be able to have one, but if you enjoy looking like a background character in GTA and you want that experience of a new type of vehicle, they're a cool option.

Having said that, they're dead to me because of Elon and I'd actively judge somebody as an unprincipled POS if they bought one today no matter how well the car worked for their use case. Get something else, #######.

[Coach]

I've never driven a Tesla but I ride in a lot of them using Uber in Vancouver. They feel like what I imagine the interior of a model car would feel like. Plastic and soulless. Also HOW THE F*** DO YOU OPEN THIS DOOR?!

[WideReceiver]

My Tesla-owning son-in-law was a hero in an airport a couple of years ago. We were getting our gasoline rental car when another customer returned to the desk. He had no idea how to do anything. The SIL went to show him everything he needed to know.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Coach

I've never driven a Tesla but I ride in a lot of them using Uber in Vancouver. They feel like what I imagine the interior of a model car would feel like. Plastic and soulless. Also HOW THE F*** DO YOU OPEN THIS DOOR?!

Riding in the back seat of a Model 3 is about as comfortable as the Big Apple coaster in Vegas. If you've ridden that, you know of which I speak. They also are low to the ground with surprisingly small door openings and no grab handles, because that would cost them money to install. Like what consumer vehicle in the past 30 years doesn't have grab handles?


I'm not going to blame previous Tesla owners, but buying one now, or using X you are eyes wide open to what you support. And lets be real, any Deplorean purchased deserves all the scorn heaped on it, pre or post President Musk.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Supporting a company run by someone actively supporting neo-nazis today is a little different than supporting a company who was run by someone who actively supported nazis 90 years ago.

Not suggesting otherwise. But, those companies were obviously supported during and immediately after WWII. I'm just not going to look at a Tesla driver and say "bad person". That's my viewpoint. Agree or disagree. Don't matter to me.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

My Tesla-owning son-in-law was a hero in an airport a couple of years ago. We were getting our gasoline rental car when another customer returned to the desk. He had no idea how to do anything. The SIL went to show him everything he needed to know.

When I rented one from Hertz a year ago, the associate sat down with me for 15 mins explaining.

One question with the auto braking when you let off the gas, do your brake lights come on?

It was great in the city. It was undriveable on the highway.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

One question with the auto braking when you let off the gas, do your brake lights come on?

When an EV is decelerating, it can be from regeneration or from brakes plus regeneration. Either way, the brake lights come on.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Coach

I've never driven a Tesla but I ride in a lot of them using Uber in Vancouver. They feel like what I imagine the interior of a model car would feel like. Plastic and soulless. Also HOW THE F*** DO YOU OPEN THIS DOOR?!

The only time I've been inside one was an Uber driving a Model X. At first I thought it was cool with the gull-wing doors, but the longer I was in it the worse it felt. The ride was very rough, and very loud. I've never heard road noise in the cabin interior that loud before, I had to check to make sure the doors and windows were all closed. And the interior is straight garage, cheap plastic everywhere and every important function routed through a giant ipad that looked like a total pain in the ass to use while driving. What shocked me most was looking up the price tag for a Model X. Paying over $100k for a car should get you something that looks and feels very luxurious, but the X looks and feels like a cheap budget SUV. Blows my mind that people would actually pay that kind of money for one

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Not suggesting otherwise. But, those companies were obviously supported during and immediately after WWII. I'm just not going to look at a Tesla driver and say "bad person". That's my viewpoint. Agree or disagree. Don't matter to me.

Was it right or wrong for people to support Nazi-supporting businesses during and immediately after WWII?

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Was it right or wrong for people to support Nazi-supporting businesses during and immediately after WWII?

Is this an attempt at a gotcha moment? I don't know man. They are still being supported. Have you ever bought a Hugo Boss garment (I don't btw, in case you ask back)? Hugo literally made the uniforms. Is that right or wrong?

I was listening to a podcast awhile back. Maybe it was a documentary. I can't remember. Anyway, what did stand out to me, is that a vast segment of the population didn't really know about the Holocaust until Streep and Woods starred in the mini series 'Holocaust'. That was 1978.

So, to answer your question. If the above paragraph is accurate, then I'd say most people supported these companies in ignorance. Nowadays, I'm sure the cultures of these companies have adapted accordingly.

People are saying they now judge anyone negatively because they drive a Tesla. I personally wouldn't make that judgment without meeting the actual person. Maybe I should have just said that instead of trying to make a point in the way I did. I'm done playing with you now. Go find someone else. I'm sure it won't take long.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Is this an attempt at a gotcha moment? I don't know man. They are still being supported. Have you ever bought a Hugo Boss garment (I don't btw, in case you ask back)? Hugo literally made the uniforms. Is that right or wrong?

I was listening to a podcast awhile back. Maybe it was a documentary. I can't remember. Anyway, what did stand out to me, is that a vast segment of the population didn't really know about the Holocaust until Streep and Woods starred in the mini series 'Holocaust'. That was 1978.

So, to answer your question. If the above paragraph is accurate, then I'd say most people supported these companies in ignorance. Nowadays, I'm sure the cultures of these companies have adapted accordingly.

People are saying they now judge anyone negatively because they drive a Tesla. I personally wouldn't make that judgment without meeting the actual person. Maybe I should have just said that instead of trying to make a point in the way I did. I'm done playing with you now. Go find someone else. I'm sure it won't take long.

It’s a simple question, don’t see why it would be a “gotcha.”

The false equivalency posed against supporting business today involved in Nazi Germany 90 years ago doesn’t make sense. If you buy a Hugo Boss suit today, your money isn’t going to support Nazi Germany. If you buy a Tesla today, your money IS going to support a nazi (or neo-nazi, or guy who makes nazi gestures while praising neo-nazis, however you want to call it). These aren’t even relatively the same thing.

The full scope of the holocaust wasn’t immediately known, but it’s not like people had no idea who the Nazis were. There was a whole boycott of Nazi-adjacent businesses in America in the late 30/early 40s.

So again, easy question: Was it right or wrong for people to support Nazi-supporting businesses during and immediately after WWII?

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

"The sustained rate of daily reentries is unprecedented," says Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer at the Harvard Center for Astrophysics who tracks satellites. "They are retiring and incinerating about 4 or 5 Starlinks every day."

Is this good? This doesnt seem good

They are quite small so I assume they would completely burn up on re-entry? If that is the case it seems relatively harmless, and better than the alternative of leaving them in orbit.