Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Freeway]

Brossoit was a 2011 pick who'll turn pro this year (2013-14) and probably won't become a developmental certainty for another year.
Gillies is a 2012 pick who'll turn pro sometime in the next three seasons (2014-15 to 2016-17), depending on if he finishes out school.
Whoever the Flames pick this year won't turn pro untl 2015-16, most likely.

[Roof-Daddy]

Keep drafting goalies.

None of our current group are a sure thing, and the more we have coming along the better chance we have of one of them actually becoming a competent NHL starter.

If more than one actually "makes it" then we have an asset(s) to flip for a return.

See:

Ben Bishop -> 2nd rounder on one deal, a young blooming forward Conacher in another deal
Anders Lindback -> Two 2nd rounders and a 3rd rounder
Mike Smith -> Part of the return for #1 center Brad Richards
Semyon Varlamov -> 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick
Jaroslav Halak -> Prospects Lars Eller and Ian Schultz

...and probably very soon, Jonathan Bernier.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Keep drafting goalies.

None of our current group are a sure thing, and the more we have coming along the better chance we have of one of them actually becoming a competent NHL starter.

If more than one actually "makes it" then we have an asset(s) to flip for a return.

See:

Ben Bishop -> 2nd rounder on one deal, a young blooming forward Conacher in another deal
Anders Lindback -> Two 2nd rounders and a 3rd rounder
Mike Smith -> Part of the return for #1 center Brad Richards
Semyon Varlamov -> 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick
Jaroslav Halak -> Prospects Lars Eller and Ian Schultz

...and probably very soon, Jonathan Bernier.

This is a pretty silly argument.

Should I list all of the skaters that have played above their draft position in later rounds and got big returns in trades? The list is much, much longer...

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This is a pretty silly argument.

Should I list all of the skaters that have played above their draft position in later rounds and got big returns in trades? The list is much, much longer...

Of course it is, that's blatantly obvious due the shear numbers involved.

Two goalies per team vs. eighteen + skaters.

The most important part of my post is the first part -> None of our current group are a sure thing

We don't have a sure thing in the system yet so we need to keep chucking darts at the dart board, if more than one sticks it's just a bonus that won't be wasted because any surplus goaltending can be dealt for a decent return.

[dammage79]

Could trade the 28th pick down for a second and a third and grab a goalie as well. One thing outside of Fucale and Comrie is that goalies are pretty much unknown to us normal folk. Where does the top ranked EUo goalie go in the draft? early second round?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Could trade the 28th pick down for a second and a third and grab a goalie as well. One thing outside of Fucale and Comrie is that goalies are pretty much unknown to us normal folk. Where does the top ranked EUo goalie go in the draft? early second round?

Yikes - believe we should aim for 2 2nds if we do move the Pitt pick. Realize that limits us to 6 teams (Edm, Dal, Wpg, SJ, Buf and Mtl) but leery of dropping down into the 3rd round and would rather hold the Pitt pick if no one is willing to give us 2 2nds. If anything, trade some later picks (ie our 4th + 5th for someone's 3rd if we want another 3rd). Sounds like a trade Garth Snow would do.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Yikes - believe we should aim for 2 2nds if we do move the Pitt pick. Realize that limits us to 6 teams (Edm, Dal, Wpg, SJ, Buf and Mtl) but leery of dropping down into the 3rd round and would rather hold the Pitt pick if no one is willing to give us 2 2nds. If anything, trade some later picks (ie our 4th + 5th for someone's 3rd if we want another 3rd). Sounds like a trade Garth Snow would do.

Oh I agree but if stockpiling picks and grabbing a goalie is necessary (which I don't and would prefer to keep the 28th) a mid second and a high third rounder is not a bad deal to make. Not sure if you could grab two second rounders for the 28th.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Oh I agree but if stockpiling picks and grabbing a goalie is necessary (which I don't and would prefer to keep the 28th) a mid second and a high third rounder is not a bad deal to make. Not sure if you could grab two second rounders for the 28th.

In 2011 Ottawa traded #35 and #48 to the Wings for #24
In 2010 New York traded #35 and #58 to the Hawks for #30
In 2008 Phoenix traded #35 and #39 to the Ducks for #28


If the Flames trade down from #28 for more picks it had better be for two 2nds or I won't be a very happy camper.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Oh I agree but if stockpiling picks and grabbing a goalie is necessary (which I don't and would prefer to keep the 28th) a mid second and a high third rounder is not a bad deal to make. Not sure if you could grab two second rounders for the 28th.

Think we can - this was the deal that Detroit/Ottawa did in 2011, which was deemed a good draft, though not as good as this one is supposed to be:

The Detroit Red Wings' first-round pick went to the Ottawa Senators as the result of a trade on June 24, 2011 that sent Ottawa and Chicago's second-round picks in 2011 (35th and 48th overall) to Detroit in exchange for this pick.

I did a lot of reading of the FC draft thread which I highly recommend. I have been flipping and flopping between dropping trading the Pitt pick for 2 2nds but lots of question marks and boom/bust labels being thrown out there. Feaster can't afford to miss on these picks and if one of them turns out to be Fucale with the 22nd or 28th and he becomes the next Marty Brodeur, he has to do it.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

In 2011 Ottawa traded #35 and #48 to the Wings for #24
In 2010 New York traded #35 and #58 to the Hawks for #30
In 2008 Phoenix traded #35 and #39 to the Ducks for #28


If the Flames trade down from #28 for more picks it had better be for two 2nds or I won't be a very happy camper.

Yes but teams that trade a first for two seconds are typically teams that have one low first rounder and no second, in this case the flames will select three times in the first thirty and don't necessarily need to concern themselves with more quantity in this draft.

that being said, all your first round picks belong to us!
and if the flames can get more blood from a stone, and land additional 1sts, well then huzzah!

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

In 2011 Ottawa traded #35 and #48 to the Wings for #24
In 2010 New York traded #35 and #58 to the Hawks for #30
In 2008 Phoenix traded #35 and #39 to the Ducks for #28


If the Flames trade down from #28 for more picks it had better be for two 2nds or I won't be a very happy camper.

Wow, if the Flames are offered anything real close to that PHX - ANA trade ... Hard to imagine turning it down.

[Yanda]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Not sure if you could grab two second rounders for the 28th.

Then you take the bpa @28

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Wow, if the Flames are offered anything real close to that PHX - ANA trade ... Hard to imagine turning it down.

Yeah no doubt. Only one team at this point could offer a similar deal, and that Montreal with picks #34 and #36. Can't see that happening though, unless they really want someone badly at #28 and do not think that player would make it to #34.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

New Mock Drafts from NHL.com (June 10, 2013)

Kimelman
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=673460
6 - C Sean Monahan
22 - D Ian McCoshen
28- G Eric Comrie

Morreale
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=673459
6 - D Darnell Nurse
22 - G Zach Fucale
28 - D Ian McCoshen


Hoffner
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=673461
6 - C Sean Monahan
22 - D Micro Mueller
28 - D Josh Morrissey

Lol, this guy is either completely out of touch or a greasy Oiler fan

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by T@T

Lol, this guy is either completely out of touch or a greasy Oiler fan

Yeah, wow. What a d-bag..

[icarus]

I like Hoffner's list the most for the Flames, but I don't see how Josh Morrissey drops to 28, and gets picked by the Flames after Mueller. Makes no sense.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by icarus

I like Hoffner's list the most for the Flames, but I don't see how Josh Morrissey drops to 28, and gets picked by the Flames after Mueller. Makes no sense.

Our D prospect pool would be really improved if we drafted both Morrissey and Mueller. I think that isn't too unrealistic. We have a couple good LW prospects for the top 6. We'll no doubt get a top 6 center with our #6 pick and we still have Backlund. Outside RW our biggest hole prospect wise is defense.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Our D prospect pool would be really improved if we drafted both Morrissey and Mueller. I think that isn't too unrealistic. We have a couple good LW prospects for the top 6. We'll no doubt get a top 6 center with our #6 pick and we still have Backlund. Outside RW our biggest hole prospect wise is defense.

I have no problem taking two D if they are the BPA. But why would Morrissey make it 28? If he falls down the draft board then there must be a reason and why would the Flames take him after passing over him once. It is hard to imagine such a scenario whereby the Flames think he's a good choice at 28 but not 22. Perhaps it could happen if they're more smitten with Mueller.

[bluejays]

That Morreale fella is really out there. No way the Flames draft a d-man with the 6th. With the Pens pick, maybe, but with the great forwards available, there's no need to take a d-man.

[Commandant]

Mike McCarron, a huge RW from the USNTDP

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...er-profile-60/