2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

The thing with Andersson is also after 50 points in 21/22 his point totals have gone down each year since as has his plus/minus after a plus 30 season. Hes now on pace for 36 points this year.

I still think we can get a good haul for him but we have to be careful not to hold on to long If his poor play continues into next season we might only get a rental cost for him teams might be hesitant to sign ong term at age 30 with his play nosediving.

That’s my #1 reason he should be on the market now. Still a good contract and high value. He shouldn’t be in our plans to signs. The contract will be regretful the moment it’s signed.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The thing with Andersson is also after 50 points in 21/22 his point totals have gone down each year since as has his plus/minus after a plus 30 season. Hes now on pace for 36 points this year.

I still think we can get a good haul for him but we have to be careful not to hold on to long If his poor play continues into next season we might only get a rental cost for him teams might be hesitant to sign ong term at age 30 with his play nosediving.

That’s my #1 reason he should be on the market now. Still a good contract and high value. He shouldn’t be in our plans to signs. The contract will be regretful the moment it’s signed.

You’re missing the most significant part of your post. Put the right place, Andersson is a 50pt RHS D who can slot in as a 2 or 3 on a cup contender.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You’re missing the most significant part of your post. Put the right place, Andersson is a 50pt RHS D who can slot in as a 2 or 3 on a cup contender.

I think 2nd pair is perfect. Most contenders probably have their PP units sorted out so he may o lu get 2nd unit time and more PK time.

As of today I think is value is a top prospect and 1st or a 1st and 2 2nds.

What I’m saying is if his play continues to nosedive and the benefit of team friendly contract is only 1 year or half a year you lose a lot of leverage. Plus anyone giving ip that package wants to sign him so his value goes down.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You’re missing the most significant part of your post. Put the right place, Andersson is a 50pt RHS D who can slot in as a 2 or 3 on a cup contender.

Andersson is not getting 50 points without PP1 time. And he isn’t likely to get that on a contender as they will have much better options. He hasn’t never been particularly good on the PP.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The thing with Andersson is also after 50 points in 21/22 his point totals have gone down each year since as has his plus/minus after a plus 30 season. Hes now on pace for 36 points this year.

I still think we can get a good haul for him but we have to be careful not to hold on to long If his poor play continues into next season we might only get a rental cost for him teams might be hesitant to sign ong term at age 30 with his play nosediving.

That’s my #1 reason he should be on the market now. Still a good contract and high value. He shouldn’t be in our plans to signs. The contract will be regretful the moment it’s signed.

I entirely disagree with the notion he's "playing poorly".

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think 2nd pair is perfect. Most contenders probably have their PP units sorted out so he may o lu get 2nd unit time and more PK time.

As of today I think is value is a top prospect and 1st or a 1st and 2 2nds.

What I’m saying is if his play continues to nosedive and the benefit of team friendly contract is only 1 year or half a year you lose a lot of leverage. Plus anyone giving ip that package wants to sign him so his value goes down.

I agree on the value, but I don’t on his value nosediving, especially over the short term.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I entirely disagree with the notion he's "playing poorly".

If Andersson was playing poorly, this team would be a good deal further down the standings.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If Andersson was playing poorly, this team would be a good deal further down the standings.

I would say that is a very fair and accurate statement.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I entirely disagree with the notion he's "playing poorly".

Points are the only thing that matters with defensemen

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I entirely disagree with the notion he's "playing poorly".

Long gone are the days where Andersson had a regular partner such as Weegar, Hanafin, or Gio. Ideally he's paired with a more offensive partner that's better in the transition game than a 24 year old Kevin Bahl who's still finding his way in the NHL as I believe he ranked 7 or 8/8 on the Devils for CF/60, CF%, SF%,and SF/60 stats last season so pretty well the exact opposite of an offensive driver.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I entirely disagree with the notion he's "playing poorly".

WEll he had a strong start to the season but has gone down since.

He is as a at a 47% CF so far this year after years of 57.8, 54.9 and 50.8. He is -11 like a mentioned. He is making a lot more mistakes in his own end. His zone splits are equal so it's not like he is getting buried in the defensive zone.

You tell me it matches the eye test for me, saying he is playing poorly is based on what he has done before. I am not saying he sucks.

He is a -2.9 in xGF as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If Andersson was playing poorly, this team would be a good deal further down the standings.

Well Dustin Wolf is great, in a calder race. Great goaltending can mask poor play.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Long gone are the days where Andersson had a regular partner such as Weegar, Hanafin, or Gio. Ideally he's paired with a more offensive partner that's better in the transition game than a 24 year old Kevin Bahl who's still finding his way in the NHL as I believe he ranked 7 or 8/8 on the Devils for CF/60, CF%, SF%,and SF/60 stats last season so pretty well the exact opposite of an offensive driver.

Weegar seems to being doing fine with his rotation of partners. 55 CF%.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Weegar seems to being doing fine with his rotation of partners. 55 CF%.

Andersson and Bahl get the toughest matchups

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Andersson and Bahl get the toughest matchups

Still gets even zone starts so it’s not like he’s buried. Unable to play against the others teams top players. Would be an excellent 2nd pairing D on a contender with a capable partner.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Weegar seems to being doing fine with his rotation of partners. 55 CF%.

Yeah, that's true but Weeger is four years old and even if Rasmus is having a bad stretch he's still a top pairing defender who can play top minutes, be a leader and put up points when his offensive game is going well. He's not a huge powerplay guy, which is a drawback because he does have a good shot, struggles with being the QB though.. but he has excellent mobility, toughness beyond his smaller frame, and can really skate with the puck and lead an atack when he's going.

No one should be in any rush to move this guy out. It really reminds me of when Robyn Regher struggled at 28-29 years old, and people started to right him off. No it won't be the same, so don't nitpick my comparisions but Rasmus is a core member of this team and a guy who (if he wants) you keep around during a rebuild.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Okay. He’s a liar then, I suppose.

December 27th Flames Talk, if you’re inclined to hear him say it direct.

Come on, it’s an athlete interview. If this is Huberdeau at his very best, he is worth maybe $11 or $12 million a year now?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Yeah, that's true but Weeger is four years old and even if Rasmus is having a bad stretch he's still a top pairing defender who can play top minutes, be a leader and put up points when his offensive game is going well. He's not a huge powerplay guy, which is a drawback because he does have a good shot, struggles with being the QB though.. but he has excellent mobility, toughness beyond his smaller frame, and can really skate with the puck and lead an atack when he's going.

No one should be in any rush to move this guy out. It really reminds me of when Robyn Regher struggled at 28-29 years old, and people started to right him off. No it won't be the same, so don't nitpick my comparisions but Rasmus is a core member of this team and a guy who (if he wants) you keep around during a rebuild.

It’s not a stretch it’s continuous decline in play year over year.

I look at a Chris Tanev you stick him with anyone and he elevates their game. So Kevin Bahl being is partner is more of an indictment on Andersson.

Will be a massive mistake signing him long term. Not a very good skater and it likely doesn’t improve.

This our chance to cash in he is not a core piece.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It’s not a stretch it’s continuous decline in play year over year.

I look at a Chris Tanev you stick him with anyone and he elevates their game. So Kevin Bahl being is partner is more of an indictment on Andersson.

Will be a massive mistake signing him long term. Not a very good skater and it likely doesn’t improve.

This our chance to cash in he is not a core piece.

I agree. I just dont see his game improving whatsoever and probably more like he is on a slow decline. I think it would be a big mistake to sign him long term. Especially considering that he is basically the last real trade chip we have if value.

Walking out of this draft with five picks in the first two rounds especially if we can get into the top ten and snag a frondell, obrian or desnoyer Plus another prospect would be much better over the long term.

I just dont see coleman or weegar or kadri going anywhere. If we hit anything like our last draft we can start to use some if those assets to go after a center.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The thing with Andersson is also after 50 points in 21/22 his point totals have gone down each year since as has his plus/minus after a plus 30 season. Hes now on pace for 36 points this year.

Boy oh boy, saying his point totals have gone down each year since is mighty disingenuous, like at a shocking level. Andersson had one (1) less point in 2022-23 than 2021-22. He also had 11 goals from 4 the previous season. Was a +5 on a team that swung wildly in +/-. (Tanev was +7). Both those seasons were excellent IMO. Andersson proved himself as a top pair defender in both years. Last year was 100% a struggle, this year is a mixed bag and we'll see where we end up

2021 - 2022 - A
2022 - 2023 - A
2023 - 2024 - C
2024- 2025 - ???

To suggest some sort of definitive downward trend based of one (1!!) less point than the year before is bordering on lunacy, Guy was good that year.