Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Say what you will, selecting David Johnston is very, very on brand for Trudeau.

So if I understand the process it's going to be the special rapporteur that will send the PMO office the report, and then Trudeau will get to decide if a public inquiry is necessary. Seems to just another stalling tactic w/ loopholes to bury the report, Johnston's personal connections to the Trudeau family aside.

[Azure]

Why can't someone else pick someone? It shouldn't even be in the PMs hands.

As an example we have a PBO that is independent from the HoC. Why isn't there an ethics commissioner who is the same way?

Fuzz is right, this entire situation has exposed some serious flaws with how our government is run.

[FlameOn]

This is why the opposition has been demanding a full public inquiry. Trudeau is trying to use every procedural loophole he can to avoid doing just that. Couple his actions with his constant evasiveness when asked about what the LPC knew about CCP interference, it isn't a good look.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I do hate the idea that now that is leaking in from the US that person X (mainly judges) can't be trusted because they were appointed by either the Liberals or Conservatives (depending on your lean). Things aren't as polarized here and people should be able to be trusted if they are judges/high level appointees.

That said - in this case - if this guy is a good friend of Trudeau - they should use someone different and they are right to be called out for this.

I don’t think that is the issue of these cases. He sat on the board of directors of a group that is alleged to be involved in what the investigation is being done.

This one isn’t politics. It’s very simple conflict of interest.

[Yoho]

Is the angle for Justin to try and trigger an election and this issue gets pushed to the side?
It’s just hard to believe his handlers could be this stupid to appoint this repartee.

At this point this is like bringing your girlfriend home to meet your wife. Jagmeet job of justifying and keeping this “agreement” every day gets harder and harder.

It has to be fairly soon that question period turns to Jagmeet exclusively.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I give props to him for actually emoting and not just robotically posting far-right Tweets!

You basically rendered all your ranting and raving in the Alberta politics thread over the years as nothing more than hot air lol. It's clear that corruption only outrages you when it comes from parties you don't support. You are revealing yourself to be the type of person you mock senselessly on these forums.

[Envitro]

A couple of excerpts from Matt Gurney's article in The Line today:

We can give the PM some marks for tactical cleverness. The announcement last Monday seemed sincere enough that it really was plausible his government was bowing to reality. Everything the prime minister and his party have done since, though, has revealed that last Monday’s announcement was purely for the show. Tactical theatrics.

There’s nothing new about this government promising more than it'll deliver. To be honest, that’s an alarming percentage of their entire MO. But it was rare to see them be quite this shameless. To have the prime minister announce a series of special measures followed by Liberal committee members missing an important meeting literally within the same 24-hour period is next-level bonkers.

and

What we have here is an absurd situation where the Liberals, as the governing party, are doing two things at once: promising a credible and transparent review of a problem while simultaneously attempting any conceivable stunt to sabotage opposition efforts to learn more about that same problem. Like, sorry guys, but your willingness to do the latter necessarily raise questions about the former. You can’t tell us about all the important things you’re going to do while doing silly things. It necessarily blows up any confidence we could have in any of the proposals you’ve made. This is “half-pregnant” territory here: the Liberals take the matter of Chinese electoral interference seriously, or they don’t. It’s a binary choice.

And they’ve clearly made it. They don’t.

Meanwhile, the fundamental issue here hasn't changed, either for the Liberals or for the country. Chinese electoral interference remains a national security issue that a grownup country would find a way to give appropriate attention — all the way seriously, not the semi-serious "We'll do some good things but also do bad things" approach the Liberals are offering us. And for the Liberals, this remains what it was before: a political threat to them.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You basically rendered all your ranting and raving in the Alberta politics thread over the years as nothing more than hot air lol. It's clear that corruption only outrages you when it comes from parties you don't support. You are revealing yourself to be the type of person you mock senselessly on these forums.

And you are a wholesome, amazing, balanced, non-partisan poster whom provides great content and doesn't lose his cool at differing opinions. You are a true gentleman and a scholar.

[Ozy_Flame]

Looks like Chinese interference is permeating other levels of Canadian government:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1636395912158408705

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Looks like Chinese interference is permeating other levels of Canadian government:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1636395912158408705

Seems like China either has too much time on their hands or this is just kind of super long term plan to get support someone from the start while they move to a level of politics where they could do something that would benefit China.

[FlameOn]

So the Liberals had claimed to have appointed Johnston as Special Rapporteur for the China Election Interference report after consultation with the opposition, NDP and CPC are both saying this didn't happen and renewing calls for a public inquiry.

Johnston's membership in the Trudeau Foundation should have been automatically disqualifying right there for the potential conflict of interest.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politi...ial-rapporteur

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Seems like China either has too much time on their hands or this is just kind of super long term plan to get support someone from the start while they move to a level of politics where they could do something that would benefit China.

Sorry, to be clear, your view is that having people disposed to be favourable to Chinese interests in Vancouver city hall isn't important and the only reason to do it is that those people might later on move to provincial or federal politics? Is that what you're suggesting? Because if so, that is incredibly naive, especially considering the lower mainland's real estate reality and demographics.

[JohnnyB]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1636503360026165254

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1636743749324660738


Impressive work.

[FunkMasterFlame]

I don't think anyone is impugning Johnston's integrity or career.

It's more the fact he is openly "family friends" with the Trudeaus and literally sits as a member of the Pierre Trudeau Foundation which recently had to return hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from CCP affiliated donors.

The optics stink, but Justin is still playing games.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The sheer gall it takes to say what he said there is just so... revolting is the only word I can come up for it. I do not understand, at this point, how anyone who's been paying any amount of attention can support that guy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

I don't think anyone is impugning Johnston's integrity or career.

It's more the fact he is openly "family friends" with the Trudeaus and literally sits as a member of the Pierre Trudeau Foundation which recently had to return hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from CCP affiliated donors.

The optics stink, but Justin is still playing games.

Nope, he was a very good governor general without the stink of entitlement and bad decisions of the last two.

To me this role is different, he's basically there to investigate the government in this case, and decide if a public inquiry is needed.

With this governments track record, and with what's happening in committee right now, where the fillibustering to keep Tedford from testifying has gotten to the point where its going back in front of the house of commons. The optics of this thing is not only key but essential.

And having a long time Trudeau family friend who's linked to a foundation that took Chinese money is just a bad bad tone deaf look. And Trudeau claiming that he consulted with the opposition parties when he hadn't is a bad bad look.

[PepsiFree]

Let’s look at the bright side. The Liberals probably won’t be too eager to call an election to try to play out the NDP until this blows over, so we’ve probably got another 6-12 months at least!

[CaptainCrunch]

Likely, it will be interesting to see if the NDP votes with the Liberals or the Cons next week in the house to break the fillibuster in committee and compel Telford to take the stand so to speak.

[Jacks]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Liberals would like an election right now. If the opposition brings down the government they can play the blame game and this issue goes completely away. All committees cease and Johnston won't report until after the election. Trudeau is free to spin whatever lies he wants, he'll claim that they were trying to get to the truth but the Cons and NDP just want a power grab, people will eat it up as usual. The actual election will be about American style health care and abortion just like it always is.

Plus there is the issue with the seat distribution that is happening next year. If there is an election soon then those new seats won't exist yet which is an advantage to the Liberals considering where they are. BC +1, AB +3, QC -1, ON +1.