2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If the Leafs move Nylander, the Flames need to be first in line to get him.

Disagree completely.

The last thing this club needs is another high priced, albeit talented, winger.

Concentrate on C and D.

Build up the middle from the G out.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'm not really interested in being Wizarded by the guy that left our team in disarray... all for a (will be) overpriced winger.

It's not something the Flames "need" to do at all.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by traptor

Getting pretty resigned to the fact that we're going to roll it back with the only move being toffoli (our top scorer) out.

I guess a hanifin trade could happen at any moment but wouldn't be supprised to see him on the roster at the beginning of the season.

Hopefully the team uncertainty isnt a huge distraction, we have a bunch of bounceback seasons, the rookie coach knows his #### and the young guys can bring it.

Feels like alot of it's...

Then we're going to be constantly concerned with if we're having a good season how do we move these guys by trade deadline. If we're having a bad season, wtf are we doing here.

Just feels like abit of lose-lose going into this season. I get the trade market wasn't there so we're a victim of circumstance, but it's frustrating the flames are always finding themselves in these types of positions.

I like to pair the bounce back if's with the checklist for finishing bottom 5, as there is a difficulty to doing it:

What needs to go "right" to finish bottom 5
1. If our goaltending improves from a sv% point of view but we give up more chances / shots now since we fired our hall of fame defensive coach, for a rookie HC.
2. If our top scorer "bounces back" but he only scores 80pts and the media and fans continue to get frustrated causing a negative goal differential (combined with point #1) and a rift in the team.
3. If a slow start after another home opener loss continues into November, we deal one of our major assets in December, leads to other trade requests behind the scenes for the deadline. Our rookie GM needs to "sell ownership" on a rebuild as per rumours on 32 thoughts in late Jan / February. And "the deals weren't there" leaving us with UFAs that we lose for nothing (e.g.: 1 - 2 of Lindholm / Hanifin / Backlund / Tanev / Zadarov)
4. Injuries: Huberdeau, Tanev and Kadri all miss time - 5-10 games each.
5. If our 3-headed goalie monster doesn't get sorted, and Kylington comes back not at game speed.


It's possible...and very Flamesy to finish bottom 5 the year AFTER a generational draft

[Hackey]

Even if everything goes wrong I doubt the Flames are a bottom 5 team.

[Poe969]

The Flames are not a bottom 5 team. They could have been, but they're not. The Flames are a bubble team at best and a bubble team at worst...unless they can make some drastic changes.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Disagree completely.

The last thing this club needs is another high priced, albeit talented, winger.

Concentrate on C and D.

Build up the middle from the G out.

With who? They already have plenty of defencemen, and there are no options at centre even remotely close to Nylander's calibre who are feasibly attainable. They don't have them internally. It's easy to say but at a certain point you just kind of have to get that kind of player by whatever means. I don't think Vegas stopped to consider whether Mark Stone was worth it because of the position he plays.

If you're looking to recapture the magic of Flames teams past, combining Huberdeau and Lindholm with Nylander seems like as good a bet as any. You flip whatever mid-priced players you have to make the money work and get it done — if Toronto elects to go down that road.

[jayswin]

^^^^^

Yeah, if you're in win now mode as the Flames state they are, and Nylander has to be moved, you have to be in on that.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by jayswin

^^^^^

Yeah, if you're in win now mode as the Flames state they are, and Nylander has to be moved, you have to be in on that.

Are we in win now though?
We sold our top scorer from last season. We hired a rookie coach.

We're saving multiple spots for prospects and trying to get younger.

In Conroy's recent interview, Kerr asked Conroy if this team is a legitimate contender. Conroy paused, then said that this team is better than it showed last season.

All this doesn't make me think that Conroy thinks this is a win-now team.

[Sandman]

If Lindholm and Backlund are getting shipped out, then we indeed need to make aquiring good centers a priority. One could argue that Sharangovich and Dube can play C, but they're better suited to the wing IMO. If a rookie C, like Zary or Jones, makes the team, they likely won't be ready for top-6 duty.

That said, Nylander is an 80-90 point winger who shows up in the playoffs. If there's a chance to get him, we should be looking in to it.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by traptor

Are we in win now though?
We sold our top scorer from last season. We hired a rookie coach.

We're saving multiple spots for prospects and trying to get younger.

In Conroy's recent interview, Kerr asked Conroy if this team is a legitimate contender. Conroy paused, then said that this team is better than it showed last season.

All this doesn't make me think that Conroy thinks this is a win-now team.

Oh it's 100% a win now team. Conroy has stated that in different ways since being hired. They will definitely try to get younger and definitely try to build through the draft, going forward.

But that doesn't change that they are trying to win now, that is 100% the goal.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If the Leafs move Nylander, the Flames need to be first in line to get him.

WHEN Nylander is traded, the selling price is a shiny dime. Calgary will only be able to offer two dirty nickels.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Sec214

WHEN Nylander is traded, the selling price is a shiny dime. Calgary will only be able to offer two dirty nickels.

They'll have to offer the nickels to clear the space first.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by traptor

Are we in win now though?
We sold our top scorer from last season. We hired a rookie coach.

We're saving multiple spots for prospects and trying to get younger.

In Conroy's recent interview, Kerr asked Conroy if this team is a legitimate contender. Conroy paused, then said that this team is better than it showed last season.

All this doesn't make me think that Conroy thinks this is a win-now team.

Arguably, it means that Conroy does think that this is a win-now team.


Better than last year means playoffs, and the mere act of getting into the playoffs as a lower seeded team is enough to make it to the Stanley Cup finals and be a "contender" - e.g. Blues in 2018-19, Dallas in 2019-20, Habs in 2020-21, and Panthers in 2022-23.

As another poster alluded to in another thread, no bad teams make the playoffs in the current format where only the top half of the league makes the post-season cut.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Sec214

WHEN Nylander is traded, the selling price is a shiny dime. Calgary will only be able to offer two dirty nickels.

Spoiler!

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Oh it's 100% a win now team. Conroy has stated that in different ways since being hired. They will definitely try to get younger and definitely try to build through the draft, going forward.

But that doesn't change that they are trying to win now, that is 100% the goal.

They aren't in win now mode. They aren't rebuilding either. They are banking on a rebound year to remain competitive while they quietly replenish the cupboards and figure out the Lindholm situation.

A skeptical person would suggest its a strategy to remain perpetually mediocre, especially with our top Cs and D pending free agents. But we are in the honeymoon phase with a fan favorite GM and almost Edmonton like new boys club so that type of talk is not encouraged.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by jayswin

^^^^^

Yeah, if you're in win now mode as the Flames state they are, and Nylander has to be moved, you have to be in on that.

Wasn't the rumored ask for Wolf to be included?

[Toonage]

I thought was just to move up in the draft?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Wasn't the rumored ask for Wolf to be included?

Also lots of chatter about Treliving liking some of the ‘big rangy’ D the Flames have; Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev.

I know it’s been discussed a lot here but there probably is a deal to be made between the Flames and Leafs. Wolf would be off the table, for me.

I would be all for acquiring Nylander, extension in place. Probably goes hand in hand with a Lindholm extension as well.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I was all for acquiring Nylander, but I have some serious reservations now.


Tying up that much money on the wings isn't a good idea. Huberdeau is here for 8 years. Do the Flames also tie up another 8-10 million on the wings for another 7 or 8 years as well? Sure, the Flames don't have an up and coming centre prospect to make room for, but it will certainly handicap them if one does come up through the ranks and/or becomes available.


Also, Nylander absolutely does show up in the playoffs, but fans in Toronto seem a bit polarized with regards to him because he makes too many soft plays, especially defensively.



I am mixed on acquiring Nylander. In the end, I hope the Flames stay away, as I don't think I like Nylander enough to have him as the team's second highest paid player (by a hair) for the next 8 seasons.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I was all for acquiring Nylander, but I have some serious reservations now.


Tying up that much money on the wings isn't a good idea. Huberdeau is here for 8 years. Do the Flames also tie up another 8-10 million on the wings for another 7 or 8 years as well? Sure, the Flames don't have an up and coming centre prospect to make room for, but it will certainly handicap them if one does come up through the ranks and/or becomes available.


Also, Nylander absolutely does show up in the playoffs, but fans in Toronto seem a bit polarized with regards to him because he makes too many soft plays, especially defensively.



I am mixed on acquiring Nylander. In the end, I hope the Flames stay away, as I don't think I like Nylander enough to have him as the team's second highest paid player (by a hair) for the next 8 seasons.

To your last point; you have to wonder though, by the time we even get half way through those 8 year deals, where’s the cap at? How many +10M/year players are there in the league? I suspect these things are going to go up significantly and there could be teams with 5 or more players earning that kind of dough.


So long as the Flames have $15M in 2027 to bring Cale home for the opening of the new building, they should be aggressive in their pursuit to bring in good players