Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

https://youtu.be/T6ISd4lzZTk?si=aq8Kzc6F5ODrglJQ

For those of you not willing to watch Oilers propoganda, the story is about how profitable the Oilers are and how their fans should be proud of that. I question why they should be proud of being gouged for ridiculous prices (tickets, beer, etc.) while Katz held them ransom for an equally ridiculous arena deal. If I was an Oilers fan paying $20 for a beer, $200+ for nosebleed seats and increased taxes so Katz could line his pockets with a sweetheart deal, I would be embarrassed.

[Eric Vail]

If Brock Faber can make Bouchard look like that, what would the best players in the world do to him?

E=ng

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Locke

I watched the highlights and on two occasions I witnessed what could only be classified as a miracle...Draisaitl parked in front of his own net in some sort of loose facsimile of a 'backcheck.'

He is there. Standing in front of his own net. Hes not doing anything of any particular value or note, but his body exists in that space. Which is a start.

However it should be noted, both times they were promptly scored upon. But he tied Messier for goals for an Oiler or some such nonsense, so he's got that going for him...which is nice.

He probably got lost.

[spetch]

Originally Posted by BsFaninCGY

Was getting caught up on the Real Kyper and Bourne show from yesterday this morning. Tuesday's National Hour is my favourite as they bring in Steve Valiquette (who I think brings outstanding observations to sports talk and is a must listen for any hockey nerds) and he was saying back when the Oilers signed Jack Campbell it was done without any discussion with the goaltending coach (who he said would have advised against it). Like, how does that happen? How do you not get input from the coach who (should) know more about the position than anyone else in the organization? Oh that's right...

I can 100% confirm this is true. They also did the same thing when they signed Koskeinen (sp?). They told him to go do some work on finding some potential goalies, then went and signed Koskeinen without any input from Dustin at all.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by spetch

I can 100% confirm this is true. They also did the same thing when they signed Koskeinen (sp?). They told him to go do some work on finding some potential goalies, then went and signed Koskeinen without any input from Dustin at all.

Well, in fairness, the extent of goalie coaching in Edmonton is essentially..."Here is a jersey...good luck!"

[FleeceGang]

Oilers fans conflating points and being good at hockey. Anyone who plays with McDavid gets insane point boosts. Where is Nurse now that he isn’t the #1 guy in town?? He wasn’t good to begin with but he has 7g 11a this year. Far cry from his 36p in 54g. There will always be some bozo who is lucky enough to pass the puck to McDavid before he bounces the puck of some other bozo’s butt and in. (Alex Chiasson, James Neal, Lucic, Yamamoto, Barrie, etc.) look at any oilers roster since he entered the league, McDavid and Drai have on average twice the points of the next guy on the team. E=nG

[Locke]

Originally Posted by John Doe

For those of you not willing to watch Oilers propoganda, the story is about how profitable the Oilers are and how their fans should be proud of that. I question why they should be proud of being gouged for ridiculous prices (tickets, beer, etc.) while Katz held them ransom for an equally ridiculous arena deal. If I was an Oilers fan paying $20 for a beer, $200+ for nosebleed seats and increased taxes so Katz could line his pockets with a sweetheart deal, I would be embarrassed.

I'm not so sure I believe that report. I have a hard time believing that the Oilers are that valuable and I question their cherry-picking of comparables.

For instance, they reference Manchester United (spits on floor) but even as far as soccer goes United are not the most valuable or profitable club by a long, long ways. They sit around 10th, maybe up to 8th depending on which figures you use.

But even then, United's annual revenues are somewhere in the vicinity of ~€800M per year. There is no way the Oilers even sniff that.

And thats with a stadium thats 115 years old, sure its been renovated a few times but still, and they've been competitively dog-crap for over a decade.

At the end of the day though, value lays in the eye of the beholder. Is anyone going to pay $3B for the Edmonton Oilers? Not a snowball's chance in Hell. Will someone pay £5-7B for Manchester United? Probably. Maybe not currently, but I wouldnt consider it outside the realm of possibility.

For instance however, if Katz walked into a bank tomorrow and asked for a $3B loan or line of credit backed by the assets of the Edmonton Oilers, would it be approved? I think he gets laughed out of the building because everyone would know that the asset used as collateral cannot possibly cover that loan.

Ergo...that valuation is a Fantasy.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not so sure I believe that report. I have a hard time believing that the Oilers are that valuable and I question their cherry-picking of comparables.

For instance, they reference Manchester United (spits on floor) but even as far as soccer goes United are not the most valuable or profitable club by a long, long ways. They sit around 10th, maybe up to 8th depending on which figures you use.

But even then, United's annual revenues are somewhere in the vicinity of ~€800M per year. There is no way the Oilers even sniff that.

And thats with a stadium thats 115 years old, sure its been renovated a few times but still, and they've been competitively dog-crap for over a decade.

At the end of the day though, value lays in the eye of the beholder. Is anyone going to pay $3B for the Edmonton Oilers? Not a snowball's chance in Hell. Will someone pay £5-7B for Manchester United? Probably. Maybe not currently, but I wouldnt consider it outside the realm of possibility.

For instance however, if Katz walked into a bank tomorrow and asked for a $3B loan or line of credit backed by the assets of the Edmonton Oilers, would it be approved? I think he gets laughed out of the building because everyone would know that the asset used as collateral cannot possibly cover that loan.

Ergo...that valuation is a Fantasy.

The video isn't about value, they acknowledge the Oilers are worth a fraction of those teams. They are arguing operating income, so how much profit Katz and co. make per year.

It's basically Oilers fans bragging that they get overcharged and are willing to overpay, and they are the best at making a billionaire even richer.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Groot

The video isn't about value, they acknowledge the Oilers are worth a fraction of those teams. They are arguing operating income, so how much profit Katz and co. make per year.

It's basically Oilers fans bragging that they get overcharged and are willing to overpay, and they are the best at making a billionaire even richer.

Fair enough.

But then you have to determine how 'operating income' is calculated. The Oilers get 41 home games a year, over-charge like hell for tickets and concessions, plus pre-season, plus playoffs, etc.

None of the other teams on that list have anywhere near that many home games a year. They have significantly higher attendance capacities for the home games that they do have, but there are fewer of them so its an unfair comparison.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by jg13

i could watch this 1000 times on repeat

https://twitter.com/user/status/2017835308578951359

Ten and a half million dollars.















TEN AND A HALF MILLION F***ING DOLLARS!

Seriously, I've benched 14 year olds for doing that.

[Southside]

LOL. Boo Boo gives him the inside track and then stops skating altogether. Classic Oilers D.

[cam_wmh]

McFluffy, with another appropriate stat line.
0g 1a -3

[direwolf]

What makes last night's spanking even funnier is that it came right after Staples' ridiculous "Oilers are back to being a powerhouse" article, lol.

[McG]

Jarry gets pulled. Ingram gets pulled.

Oilers put Pickard on waivers.

4D chess.

[just_tim]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

McFluffy, with another appropriate stat line.
0g 1a -3

The best ever McDrai stat line was 2022-03-26 when the Flames beat the grease 9-5. Draisaitl had 4 points and was -4. McD with 2 points and also -4. Good times…

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

https://youtu.be/T6ISd4lzZTk?si=aq8Kzc6F5ODrglJQ

Truly shameful
Does that $244M in profit include the monies stolen from 50/50 and other charities, or is this just grift off the idiots paying $36 for a burger and fries. Does it include the hundreds in taxes each hovel in the city shells out for the sweetheart arena deal?

Amusingly Oiler fans seem proud of this. Are they really that dumb? They should be furious, and demand lower pricing. Or I guess they are just happy to be first in something, even if that something is real ####ty?

What else might the Oilers be first in?
I welcome your ideas

[Locke]

Do they still sell Bobby Nicks burgers for $1000 or whatever?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by jg13

i could watch this 1000 times on repeat

https://twitter.com/user/status/2017835308578951359

That's truly shameful on Boo Boo. I've watch pee wee defender defends better and harder than that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jg13

i could watch this 1000 times on repeat

https://twitter.com/user/status/2017835308578951359

My effort at beer league is marginally better than this

[Locke]

I love how he just doesnt GAF and just heads for the safety of the bench.

If McDavid glares at boo-boo...does he see it twice?