I know Brupal's an Elon cultist and all, but surely he knows people really, really hate Elon and will, in fact, pay more to avoid using anything associated with him. Probably not, actually.
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"Think I'm gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damn machine? Sheeee......."
Well then, I guess we better keep hammering the Elon is a lying fascist creep message so more people decide to spend the extra cash and not support his business.
Well it’s sad that I have to once again chime in, but if you’re looking for a safe vehicle the 2025 Tesla Model Y (that’s right, the best selling vehicle in the world and until the cybercab is available the Y is going to be your option for a robotaxi) and the Cybertruck both earned the highest possible five star safety score. So for those looking for a low cost ride that’s safe, Tesla again is the best choice. Are you going to put your family at risk by taking a less safe AND more expensive ride every time? Maybe. In fact in this crowd - probably. But for the rest of the population? We’ll see.
Well it’s sad that I have to once again chime in, but if you’re looking for a safe vehicle the 2025 Tesla Model Y (that’s right, the best selling vehicle in the world and until the cybercab is available the Y is going to be your option for a robotaxi) and the Cybertruck both earned the highest possible five star safety score. So for those looking for a low cost ride that’s safe, Tesla again is the best choice. Are you going to put your family at risk by taking a less safe AND more expensive ride every time? Maybe. In fact in this crowd - probably. But for the rest of the population? We’ll see.
Jesus Christ man…it’s sad alright.
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Well it’s sad that I have to once again chime in, but if you’re looking for a safe vehicle the 2025 Tesla Model Y (that’s right, the best selling vehicle in the world and until the cybercab is available the Y is going to be your option for a robotaxi) and the Cybertruck both earned the highest possible five star safety score. So for those looking for a low cost ride that’s safe, Tesla again is the best choice. Are you going to put your family at risk by taking a less safe AND more expensive ride every time? Maybe. In fact in this crowd - probably. But for the rest of the population? We’ll see.
The Cybertruck is like a mandoline on wheels. Anyone in the vehicle might be safe but pedestrians will be julienned by that thing.
I dunno man, I said it in another thread but listening to those old engines fire up and idle to warm up? I could listen to that all day.
You can hear the pistons spinning and the engine just sucking back that AvGas like an Elephant at a trough! There is just something about that experience that I just enjoy.
I've been listening to this for the past 30 minutes.
Interesting that you mentioned costs, Bizaro86. Yes, Waymo currently offers driverless ride sharing, I’m actually envious that you have had the chance to experience it, sadly I have not. We can debate whether using cameras and neural net software is better than cameras and lidar and radar in a different post but when it comes to cost Waymo is at a disadvantage. While it’s true lidar sensors are not overly expensive what happens when you have a conflict between what your lidar sensor says and your camera says? Quick, lives are on the line. You can’t wait, you have to go with one or the other. Which is it going to be? Click - you go with the camera because it sees what is in front of you. That is why Tesla chose to go with camera only driving, because too many inputs can lead to distortion and you have to go with one. But setting the technology aside, currently it costs Tesla approximately $30,000 to make a Model Y which comes equipped with FSD software which Tesla can turn on for free and put that vehicle out into the fleet and start earning robotaxi fares. Whereas Waymo, who doesn’t manufacture its own vehicles, has to buy a Jaguar iPace for about $90,000 (and sadly for Waymo Jaguar no longer makes the iPace), and then Waymo has to buy 13 cameras, 4 lidar sensors and 6 radar sensors, and then it has to retrofit them to the Jaguars (that it didn’t build) before it can add that vehicle to the fleet. Such a platform is not easily scalable. Waymo has approximately 2000 vehicles currently capable of operating as robotaxis. Every model Y that rolls off the assembly line (about one million per year) is ready to go as a robotaxi. Tesla will be able to roll out robotaxis into many cities quickly - much faster than Waymo, and capture market share before the competition can. And given the significant cost advantage, Tesla could charge far less than whatever Waymo chooses to charge, and still do so profitably. I hope Waymo and other companies are able to provide autonomous ride sharing and self driving vehicles, but currently likely only Tesla has the ability to do so profitably and that means they will likely succeed while others may not. We shall see. But along the way our roads will be safer for all of us as fewer impaired and just generally bad drivers are out there.
How is it you so thoroughly swallow absolutely everything Elon says and regurgitate it as fact? Did you ever think the guy who lies about his video game prowess may also lie about other things? The sensor fusion issue is an area where he's lying to you because it saves him money. Any expert in the industry knows that's a bull#### excuse. Sensor fusion is a solved problem.
Most of us drive with many sensors, from your eyes, to your ears to your body sensing vibrations, to cameras and blind spot monitors. For computers, adding data doesn't make data worse, if you understand probability modelling. It's literally the first chapter of "Probabilistic Robots".
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A robot that carries a notion of its own uncertainty and that acts accordingly is superior to one that does not.
In particular, probabilistic approaches are typically more robust in the face of sensor limitations, sensor noise, environment dynamics, and so on. They often scale much better to complex and unstructured environments, where the ability to handle uncertainty is of even greater importance. In fact, certain probabilistic algorithms are currently the only known working solutions to hard robotic estimation problems, such as the kidnapped robot problem, in which a mobile robot must recover from localization failure; or the problem of building accurate maps of very large environments, in the absence of a global positioning device such as GPS. Additionally, probabilistic algorithms make much weaker requirements on the accuracy of models than many classical planning algorithms do, thereby relieving the programmer from the unsurmountable burden to come up with accurate models. Viewed probabilistically, the robot learning problem is a long-term estimation problem. Thus, probabilistic algorithms provide a sound methodology for many flavors of robot learning. And finally, probabilistic algorithms are broadly applicable to virtually every problem involving perception and action in the real world.
If you want to have a debate about this stuff, I'd be happy to. You are clearly misinformed and have only drunk from the firehose of feces for your knowledge. You'll have to bring something better than Elon's tweets though, unless you want to continue to embarrass yourself.
But once self driving robotaxis are the least expensive option then they will flourish.
Why would they be cheaper than a guy driving a Prius?
The only possible thing they would do is run at a loss for a couple of years to kill any competition and then jack up the prices. This is how it works. I wouldn’t be surprised that your robotaxi companies starts implementing surge pricing as soon as they feasibly can.
Why would they be cheaper than a guy driving a Prius? Because they don’t have to PAY the guy driving the Prius.
When your biggest expense is the driver, and you cut that out, you suddenly have a lot of wiggle room. Then when you get your magical self driving car at builder’s cost (because you built it) you can save a bit more. And when the software that costs $8,000 US for anyone else to have but you can flick it on for free then you save a bunch of other costs. And then when you can probably charge the car below the posted rates for the rest of the masses (or even if you can’t but it’s still cheaper than gasoline) and your maintenance and repair costs are at cost with no labour instead of at market rates then you can shave some more costs. So now tell me how Tesla won’t be the lowest cost and highest profit ride share provider. Goodbye Uber, Lyft, and yes eventually Waymo unless they somehow pivot to some extraordinary high end bespoke limousine level service provider.
Why would they be cheaper than a guy driving a Prius? Because they don’t have to PAY the guy driving the Prius.
When your biggest expense is the driver, and you cut that out, you suddenly have a lot of wiggle room. Then when you get your magical self driving car at builder’s cost (because you built it) you can save a bit more. And when the software that costs $8,000 US for anyone else to have but you can flick it on for free then you save a bunch of other costs. And then when you can probably charge the car below the posted rates for the rest of the masses (or even if you can’t but it’s still cheaper than gasoline) and your maintenance and repair costs are at cost with no labour instead of at market rates then you can shave some more costs. So now tell me how Tesla won’t be the lowest cost and highest profit ride share provider. Goodbye Uber, Lyft, and yes eventually Waymo unless they somehow pivot to some extraordinary high end bespoke limousine level service provider.
