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Erick Estrada · 11-04-2021, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Agree to disagree then.

I think the Flames were looking for non-injured Monahan value and didn't get it.

If they wanted a quality player or a first it wasn't happening. But that doesn't mean you have to take a bad player/contract to move a 20 goal scorer with one year left.

You take less ... say a third, or you retain and get a second.

He hasn't scored 20 goals since the 2019/20 season and wasn't on pace to score 20 goals last season. He's on pace to crack the teens this season. Teams employ professional scouts and they won't be fooled by past stats. The only time he may have positive value is at the trade deadline in the last year of his deal for teams looking to add center depth.

neo45 · 11-04-2021, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Would Monahan have more value at next year's trade deadline as a rental?

Most likely, it makes it more palatable to retain half the salary then too

On the downside most teams that are adding at the deadline already have their powerplay figured out and might not be looking for a Monahan

timbit · 11-04-2021, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

When will you be providing the same look at Coleman's contract ? How much have the Flames committed to the back side of a career 35 pt / 82 games player?

Yes Tuch is a value contract.

Lindholm is just under a 53 pt /82 game career to add some perspective on how good 45 per 82 is. Tuch's 33 pts in 66 playoff games would add to his value.

Do you understand that there is ZERO ACQUISITION COST for UFAs.

Hence, teams will up the salary and term to outbid other teams.

You are comparing apples and oranges.....AGAIN!

PepsiFree · 11-04-2021, 09:52 AM

Is this the "fire Monahan" thread?

Flamescuprun2018 · 11-04-2021, 09:55 AM

Quite content BT was a bridesmaid on this trade.

Neck injuries requiring surgical approaches that are at best still evolving and highly contentious amongst surgical opinions. Is not something you want to bank your franchise future on.

Knights in cap hell now. Good luck to them.

They have gutted their prospect base and now have to roll with Patches, Stone and Eichel for core success. Each with current or nagging injury concerns.

DeluxeMoustache · 11-04-2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is this the "fire Monahan" thread?

I was going to ask if it was the “sell low” thread

Erick Estrada · 11-04-2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Is this the "fire Monahan" thread?

It looks that way the last page or two. I did say a few posts ago that you couldn't fault Treliving for Monahan's decline in response to another post but it has snowballed a little.

Monahammer · 11-04-2021, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

Quite content BT was a bridesmaid on this trade.

Neck injuries requiring surgical approaches that are at best still evolving and highly contentious amongst surgical opinions. Is not something you want to bank your franchise future on.

Knights in cap hell now. Good luck to them.

They have gutted their prospect base and now have to roll with Patches, Stone and Eichel for core success. Each with current or nagging injury concerns.

Yeah, haha they could have one of the best 2 way lines in the league when all are over their injuries. Sure sucks to be them!!

Seriously Pacioretty-Eichel-Stone is going to SUCK ASS to play against.
I'm done complaining about this for now, but this is a bad take.

heep223 · 11-04-2021, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

This core has won 3 Stanley Cup playoff games since 2015.

I like Treliving. But he simply hasn’t done a good job and it boils down to the above. We’re trying to win a Stanley cup and we’ve won 3 playoff games in 6 years. The results have been poor and that’s on the GM over such a large sample size.

Flamesfan05 · 11-04-2021, 10:09 AM

Buffalo don’t want to take on salary

Treliving spent his on Zadorov and Gudbranson.
So he either didn’t want Eichel or he is just a ‘genius’

InternationalVillager · 11-04-2021, 10:11 AM

It's so tough to be a fan of this team. The 6-1-2 is a great start...sure but all it takes is a bad week and you're back to being close to .500. Its not like the hot start is unassailable.

Second- Now you need to play against McDavid/Draisaitl and Eichel/Stone/Pacioretty EVERY season just to get out of the division. If you do get out of your division in the playoffs, you have a Mackinnon led team likely waiting there for you.

Simply put- if we are all about winning the Stanley Cup, today is a dark day in Flames franchise history because I don't really see a way we get out of our division and then get out of the West to even make the Cup Finals. It doesn't even matter if we win 50 games in the regular season, playoff hockey is just different.

Wastedyouth · 11-04-2021, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yeah, haha they could have one of the best 2 way lines in the league when all are over their injuries. Sure sucks to be them!!

Seriously Pacioretty-Eichel-Stone is going to SUCK ASS to play against.
I'm done complaining about this for now, but this is a bad take.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line sucks ass to play against right now.

So... What's your point?

joejoe3 · 11-04-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nixon45

I think this thread will come in handy today and I'll be the jerk who bumps it and gets #### on.

Another swing and a miss from Tre on the Eichel deal. Maybe it was more of a bunt attempt that he popped up right to the catcher. He's a BAD GM.

Just waiting for the inevitable " well we liked what we offered but weren't prepared to do xyz" bull#### he trots out every time after these things happen.

I'm completely done with this guy. Once the wheels fall off this hot start his (GM) life should be very uncomfortable.

I went back 4 pages just to see who the jerk was so I can **** on him. But you came prepared.

Monahammer · 11-04-2021, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line sucks ass to play against right now.

So... What's your point?

My point was that pointing out that Vegas needs to run with a core of Pacioretty-Eichel-Stone as a problem is dumb. That is an enviable 1st line. I made no comment at all about the quality of our own current first line.

InternationalVillager · 11-04-2021, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line sucks ass to play against right now.

So... What's your point?

Playoff hockey context:

Pacioretty > Gaudreau
Eichel > Lindholm
Stone > Tkachuk

what exactly is your point?

mrdonkey · 11-04-2021, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line sucks ass to play against right now.

So... What's your point?

For starters, two out of those three players have a foot out the door.

InternationalVillager · 11-04-2021, 10:19 AM

Mark Stone (50) has more playoff points than the sum of our First line (32).

We are comparing our top line to VGK WITH Eichel?? HAHA! Delusional.

Wastedyouth · 11-04-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

For starters, two out of those three players have a foot out the door.

In your opinion. You have no clue.

Bingo · 11-04-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

The list of team's that would find any value in the game Monahan brings to the table (maybe flirting with 20 goals so long as he doesn't have to do any heavy lifting and that is even a reach if you ask me) is going to be extremely short.

Even if the Flames were to retain $2M of his salary to move him, there are dozens of players in that salary range that would be more desirable that can at least move the needle in a variety of ways besides cleaning up garbage in the slot (if he get's 1st PP unit time).

Guessing we probably ran this argument out ...

We're both guessing a future market that won't be solved as right or wrong today.

We can revisit in the summer when they move Monahan for a 2nd.

gvitaly · 11-04-2021, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

It's so tough to be a fan of this team. The 6-1-2 is a great start...sure but all it takes is a bad week and you're back to being close to .500. Its not like the hot start is unassailable.

Second- Now you need to play against McDavid/Draisaitl and Eichel/Stone/Pacioretty EVERY season just to get out of the division. If you do get out of your division in the playoffs, you have a Mackinnon led team likely waiting there for you.

Simply put- if we are all about winning the Stanley Cup, today is a dark day in Flames franchise history because I don't really see a way we get out of our division and then get out of the West to even make the Cup Finals. It doesn't even matter if we win 50 games in the regular season, playoff hockey is just different.

I think it's not the winning streak that is great, but how they're winning. The Flames have been the better team on the ice in almost each and every game they played. The Flames are dictating their style of play to their opponents and not the other way around. That is something I haven't seen in forever. The Flames used to always play down to the level of their competition.

Right now the way the Flames are playing looks to be sustainable over a season. Moreover, they are doing enough little things like working as a unit, having great gaps, putting sticks in the lanes, and backchecking hard that it should translate to the playoffs.

As long as the Flames don't beat themselves mentally, it looks like we have a decent playoff team on our hands.