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Old 09-09-2020, 04:28 PM   #5261
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The Flames could get a prospect like Tristan Robins in the 2nd round, who's being sort of compared to the likes of Brayden Point possibly.

I am officially scared of this off season now.
I had never heard of this guy before, but just read up on him. Seems like a great third round pick.
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Old 09-09-2020, 04:31 PM   #5262
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Do you just copy and paste the same statements into all of your posts?
Because I think tearing it down at this point is a mistake? Do I say the same thing about you? Try making a point or adding to the discussion instead of clogging the thread with a drive by post.
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A 1st for kuemper is shades of a 2nd for Elliot

Flames paying a premium for cap reduction
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I swear to #### if they trade 19th OA for a 30 year old goalie with only 2 years on his deal and only a season and a half of being a proven top goalie I'll snap.

5 years from now we'll be watching some 22/23 year old lighting the league up for Arizona and go "where'd he come from....oh yeah they drafted him in round 1 in 2020 with the pick we traded for Kuemper"

Meanwhile 35 year old Kuemper will be long gone into the sunset like a fart in the wind and the Flames probably still won't have made it out of the 1st round.

Trading 1st round picks for old players is IDIOTIC.
As much as I want Kuemper, you aren’t wrong.

This team needs to get some top tier goaltending though. This whole constantly cycling average/below average/awful goalies year in and year out has been a huge problem.

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rumours of a 5x5 for Lehner from Vegas.

Is there still any interest here for MAF?
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rumours of a 5x5 for Lehner from Vegas.

Is there still any interest here for MAF?
Not without Vegas including a 1st.

MAF isn’t very good anymore and carries a 7M cap-hit. It’s ugly.
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rumours of a 5x5 for Lehner from Vegas.

Is there still any interest here for MAF?
Yep. For a third round pick.
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Old 09-09-2020, 04:45 PM   #5268
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MAF isn’t very good anymore.
Well that’s a reach.
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Not without Vegas including Tuch.

MAF isn’t very good anymore and carries a 7M cap-hit. It’s ugly.
made a minor adjustment, pick 28-31 just doesn't do it for me.
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Flames could do a 3 team trade where Vegas and Calgary pay a team like Detroit or Ottawa to retain as a middleman.

But I believe in the Kuemper rumours. One stop shopping
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I posted this days ago but I would still be on board for a trade structured like this:

OEL + Kuemper + Hall's rights for 1st 2019 + Giordano + Derek Ryan

IMO this makes stomaching the loss of the 1st easier we make Gio into a younger player, dump some salary in Ryan, and fix our gaping hole in net.

Also gives us plenty of runway to work a johnny trade and recoup a 1st.
I could live with this if they can some how get a young C trending up for Johnny but it has to be as close to a cant miss trade as you can get. They could end up goats fired into the sun or geniuses with something like this depending on who they think they can get for Johnny.
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I wouldn't give up a first or second for anything from Arizona. Gross.
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I wouldn't give up a first or second for anything from Arizona. Gross.
Anything being mentioned that should say.
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I can't get my mind around OEL's contract. There is just nothing to support it's existence in year five through seven. There would have to be a big contract going back to Arizona, and because of how much it would deplete the Arizona D-corps, that means Gio.

In my mind, that swap favors Arizona. That contract really evens out value, a lot. But it does help to reset the Coyotes, so I understand it from their side. They are the ones that would have to get the Flames to bite on a trade.

Jan Jenik was mentioned earlier. That's the type of player who could be a third line right wing in the league, or could be a first line centre. Tonne of skill. If you want to build that position, you need to take chances.

To that end, in reference to Monahammer's suggestion above :

OEL+Kuemper+Jenik
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Giordano, 1st 2020, Ryan

or I walk. Let Hall fall where he may.

I'd rather just trade Jankowski and a 5th for Fischer and call it a day.
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Old 09-09-2020, 05:14 PM   #5275
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I like Kuemper, but giving up a 1st seems very steep given the talk of this draft's depth. I also don't like OEL much as a player, especially at his caphit.

Kuemper and OEL have a combined caphit of $12.75M
Giordano and Ryan have a combined caphit of $9.875M

I'd rather keep the 1st and Gio, negotiate with Hall once he reaches UFA status, and even sign Talbot for $3-$3.5M if possible.
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Disgusting words from Freidman about the Flames. Its such a horrible idea. At no point should there be a consideration to trade away their 1st.

Edit: Besides, these ARZ rumors don't make sense. They haven't even hired a GM yet. Why on earth would they make trades before he gets to take the reins.

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Old 09-09-2020, 05:34 PM   #5277
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Sign Hall, Soucy, and Demelo.

Trade Ryan for picks.

Trade whatever you need to for Kuemper.

Make the cap work anyway you can.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Hall - Bennett - Tkachuk
Dube - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Gawdin - Rieder

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Demelo
Valimaki - Soucy

Kuemper
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Soucy was hot garbage in the Canucks/Minny series.
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Hanifin + Rittich + 1st + 3rd

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OEL + Kuemper + rights to Hall
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Hanifin + Rittich + 1st + 3rd

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OEL + Kuemper + rights to Hall

Brutal deal.
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