2016 NHL Draft

[Matty81]

At least from the dub, the quality of players ranked in the 2nd round this year is not good compared to previous years, it's a good first round and not a great draft after that. I don't want the Flames to trade down at all unless it involves a late 1st coming back and a chance to add another important piece like Gauthier, definitely not for another mediocre 2nd which I think will not produce a high end prospect this year.

And getting another 1st by trading down basically seems impossible unless they drop to Carolina's spot (13th is too far to go down IMO) because Arizona is the only other team behind us with 2 1sts and teams don't usually trade up one spot, let alone for a 1st rounder. Unless something really unexpected happens and Tkachuk or Dubois falls and Arizona gets jumpy, and in that scenario I think the Flames should take the physical winger anyway.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The scenario is trading down from 6 to 9 because Montreal is hot to trot for Brown. If the Flames have Nylander, Brown, and the two D grouped together as roughly equal, then they can make that deal and still get one of their guys. And considering the needs of Arizona and Buffalo, there's a very good chance the guy left at 9 is Nylander.

I think they should take their #1 guy from that group of 4 if that's the scenario. Even if the separation is marginal, it's better to get a guy whose character you like just a bit more than add a 2nd in a shallow draft year. Add the best piece to your core, rather than compromise for a scratch ticket. Just my 2 cents anyway.

[Bingo]

Burke is just doing his job guys, and he does it well.

Treliving keeps his cards close to his vest, while Burke makes up cards and shuffle sprays them all over the place.

From a distance league execs probably know that Burke is talking for the sake of talking, but he's created enough intrigue and doubt that teams are probably thinking he may be slipping actual intel in his need to be entertaining.

Perfect actually.

If you think you know what Calgary needs, but you don't know if they're going to move up or down, or maybe take a dman because Burke mentioned Juolevi then you don't know.

It creates some value in the Flames draft selection.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The scenario is trading down from 6 to 9 because Montreal is hot to trot for Brown. If the Flames have Nylander, Brown, and the two D grouped together as roughly equal, then they can make that deal and still get one of their guys. And considering the needs of Arizona and Buffalo, there's a very good chance the guy left at 9 is Nylander.

I can see all this discussion moot as Vancouver may be more open to moving down than we are. Which isn't a bad thing as it may result in Tkachuk or Dubois falling to us.

There are at least three forwards and three defencemen who could command interest when the Vancouver Canucks select fifth in the National Hockey League draft on June 24 in Buffalo.

There could be just as many trade offers to consider because the phone is ringing, and general manager Jim Benning and his staff are preparing for what is expected to be an active period before Auston Matthews is picked first overall.

The Canucks know they can land a foundation player — centre/winger Pierre-Luc Dubois, left winger Matthew Tkachuk or puck-moving defenceman Olli Juolevi, depending on what the Edmonton Oilers do with the fourth pick — but they could also make their club better now and in the future by moving the selection and getting a proven and young top-six player.

That’s plenty to ponder.

“Teams have been calling and enquiring about the fifth pick,” Benning said Thursday from the Canucks’ amateur scouting meetings in Whistler.

“We want to be prepared for any scenario that could come up at the draft. But depending on who’s there when we pick, we know we’re getting a good player. We’re not looking to move the pick, but I wouldn’t be doing my job if teams call and make offers for the pick and we didn’t consider the offers.

“We’re doing our due diligence. If we can move down and get a top-six player and a second-round pick, we have to keep our options open. I’m not saying we’re going to do anything, but we need to be prepared for any situation that may come up. But at the end of the day, if we go in and pick at No. 5, I’m real confident that we’re getting a piece that will help us win and be part of our future for a long time.”

http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=11975690

[Southside]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I can see all this discussion moot as Vancouver may be more open to moving down than we are. Which isn't a bad thing as it may result in Tkachuk or Dubois falling to us.

There are at least three forwards and three defencemen who could command interest when the Vancouver Canucks select fifth in the National Hockey League draft on June 24 in Buffalo.

There could be just as many trade offers to consider because the phone is ringing, and general manager Jim Benning and his staff are preparing for what is expected to be an active period before Auston Matthews is picked first overall.

The Canucks know they can land a foundation player — centre/winger Pierre-Luc Dubois, left winger Matthew Tkachuk or puck-moving defenceman Olli Juolevi, depending on what the Edmonton Oilers do with the fourth pick — but they could also make their club better now and in the future by moving the selection and getting a proven and young top-six player.

That’s plenty to ponder.

“Teams have been calling and enquiring about the fifth pick,” Benning said Thursday from the Canucks’ amateur scouting meetings in Whistler.

“We want to be prepared for any scenario that could come up at the draft. But depending on who’s there when we pick, we know we’re getting a good player. We’re not looking to move the pick, but I wouldn’t be doing my job if teams call and make offers for the pick and we didn’t consider the offers.

“We’re doing our due diligence. If we can move down and get a top-six player and a second-round pick, we have to keep our options open. I’m not saying we’re going to do anything, but we need to be prepared for any situation that may come up. But at the end of the day, if we go in and pick at No. 5, I’m real confident that we’re getting a piece that will help us win and be part of our future for a long time.”

http://www.theprovince.com/touch/story.html?id=11975690

I could see the Flames moving up one spot and giving up a 2nd in return. Trusting our guy is there at 5.

[Matty81]

The more I read about CBJ the more I realize how under the gun they are and it seems more and more likely to me that they'd move down a few slots for salary/NMC relief if they really love Brown as reports suggest. Would it be worth it to take on a NMC and a big wage to move from 6 to 3?

They have 5 guys they have to protect in expansion who have NMCs and as it stands that means are going to have to expose Kerby Rychel, Sonny Milano, two of Wennberg/Atkinson/Karlsson, probably David Savard and Prout and two of their 3 good goalies (also Josh Anderson who a few here have mentioned as a trade target). They're going to lose a really good player, way more exposed than most teams.

Then they are already at 68 mil in salaries this year and still need to re-sign Seth Jones, Karlsson, Korpisalo and Forsberg who was ridiculous in the AHL playoffs this year. Even with the escalator, tall task. Not to mention that they were terrible last year and need to find a way to improve.

[sureLoss]

So with all the Czech league signings the Flames have done recently, perhaps they take some flyers on draft eligibles playing in Czechia?

G Josef Korenar - 4th ranked Euro goalie - 6'2'' 172lbs http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=225184

D Filip Hronek - 8th ranked Euro skater - 6-0'' 163lbs http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=191286

LW/RW Daniel Kurovsky - 29th ranked Euro skater - 6'4'' 198lbs shoots R http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=190237

C/W Ondrej Najman -30th ranked Euro skater - 6'1'' 187lbs shoots L http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=161353

RW Jiri Karafait -38th ranked Euro skater - 6'2'' 169lbs shoots R http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=217027

[Erick Estrada]

Man passing on Puljujarvi is a ballsy move if the Jackets are indeed entertaining the idea. A lot of the bigger players take some time to put all their skill and size together but both of these Fins area already very polished and NHL ready. I see a move like this as a career defining move for a GM as there is no doubt in my mind and most scouts that Puljujarvi is going to play in the NHL soon and be a contributor. Brown and Keller to me look like nice players that are not finished products and each of the two has concerns that don't make them sure things. If Puljujarvi ends up to be as good as we think he will and the player they would take instead doesn't it's one of those mistakes that a GM never lives down.

[Vinny01]

I can't see the jackets passing on Puljujarvi almost zero chance. They can trade down very easily and recoup and asset if they want to go for Brown or Keller. The Canucks with a bit of cap space could likely have tossed in their 2nd and taken a contract to trade up 2 spots.

The Flames are making a ton of sense to move up. Bobrovsky makes $7.5M which is a giant cap hit for a goalie that is not top 5 in the league. He has had some great years though.

Calgary sending their first and 2 second rounders (our first 2) could be enough to land Puljujarvi and Bobrovsky which solves the 2 biggest needs in the Flames organization. A starting goalie for the next 2-4 years and a top RW prospect with size.

Columbus gets Brown and has 3 second rounders. If needed they can package a 2nd with a contract similar to what Floroda did with Savard to free up more cap space and still guarantee themselves one of Brown/Keller

[Vinny01]

Friedman 30 thoughts prediction
1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Tkachuk
5. Dubois

Mentions he thinks the Flames are open to trading down since the Sabres and Yotes want D

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So with all the Czech league signings the Flames have done recently, perhaps they take some flyers on draft eligibles playing in Czechia?

G Josef Korenar - 4th ranked Euro goalie - 6'2'' 172lbs http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=225184

D Filip Hronek - 8th ranked Euro skater - 6-0'' 163lbs http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=191286

LW/RW Daniel Kurovsky - 29th ranked Euro skater - 6'4'' 198lbs shoots R http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=190237

C/W Ondrej Najman -30th ranked Euro skater - 6'1'' 187lbs shoots L http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=161353

RW Jiri Karafait -38th ranked Euro skater - 6'2'' 169lbs shoots R http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=217027

Tomas Soustal is another Cezch who's been to Flames camps in the past. Eligible for this years draft.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=160068

[azzarish]

This talk about dropping down happens every draft, but very rarely actually happens. Columbus would be mad to drop down unless they firmly believe Logan Brown is a better player than Jesse Puljujärvi, in which case all the rankings have been wrong and Brown should actually be ranked 3rd.

I'd be astounded if they didn't pick 3rd. So many mind games and brinkmanship being played right now.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man passing on Puljujarvi is a ballsy move if the Jackets are indeed entertaining the idea. A lot of the bigger players take some time to put all their skill and size together but both of these Fins area already very polished and NHL ready. I see a move like this as a career defining move for a GM as there is no doubt in my mind and most scouts that Puljujarvi is going to play in the NHL soon and be a contributor. Brown and Keller to me look like nice players that are not finished products and each of the two has concerns that don't make them sure things. If Puljujarvi ends up to be as good as we think he will and the player they would take instead doesn't it's one of those mistakes that a GM never lives down.

This is why it wont happen.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Brock Otten's mock draft, he does some really good stuff. It's an interesting read.

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016...draft.html?m=1

"6. Calgary Flames - Pierre Luc Dubois
I've read a lot of things about the Flames loving Juolevi and I know they scouted London a lot this year, but I can't help but think that Tkachuk or Dubois are their first two choices here. Dubois gives them a big bodied winger who can open up some ice for guys like Gaudreau, Bennett, and Monahan moving forward. He's also ultra skilled and has the skating ability to keep up. As mentioned earlier about the Pacific, it's a physical division where size is important and Dubois gives you that."

[Vinny01]

At this point I hope we somehow trade up for Pulhijack. If that doesn't happen I hope we trade up and get one of Dubois or Tkachuk. After that I am not really sold on any of Nylander, Brown, Keller, Jost so i would be okay trading down a few spots and grabbing whichever of those 4 is available when we pick

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Hockeyprospect.com final rankings

http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-n...-final-top-30/

1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Juolevi
7. Brown
8. Sergachev
9. Keller
10. Jost
11. Fabbro
12. Nylander
13. McAvoy
14. Chychrun
15. Bean

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man passing on Puljujarvi is a ballsy move if the Jackets are indeed entertaining the idea. A lot of the bigger players take some time to put all their skill and size together but both of these Fins area already very polished and NHL ready. I see a move like this as a career defining move for a GM as there is no doubt in my mind and most scouts that Puljujarvi is going to play in the NHL soon and be a contributor. Brown and Keller to me look like nice players that are not finished products and each of the two has concerns that don't make them sure things. If Puljujarvi ends up to be as good as we think he will and the player they would take instead doesn't it's one of those mistakes that a GM never lives down.

The Blue Jackets GM is Jarmo Kekalainen - no way he passes on Puljujarvi!

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Hockeyprospect.com final rankings

http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-n...-final-top-30/

1. Matthews
2. Laine
3. Puljujarvi
4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Juolevi
7. Brown
8. Sergachev
9. Keller
10. Jost
11. Fabbro
12. Nylander
13. McAvoy
14. Chychrun
15. Bean

Is it just me, or is Chychrun really tumbling on a lot of the rankings? Juolevi seems to be pulling ahead in terms of the d-men.

That looks like a pretty good list overall, but Nylander is a bit low.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Is it just me, or is Chychrun really tumbling on a lot of the rankings? Juolevi seems to be pulling ahead in terms of the d-men.

That looks like a pretty good list overall, but Nylander is a bit low.

That U-18 tourney seemed to sink him really badly in the rankings.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Brock Otten's mock draft, he does some really good stuff. It's an interesting read.

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2016...draft.html?m=1

"6. Calgary Flames - Pierre Luc Dubois
I've read a lot of things about the Flames loving Juolevi and I know they scouted London a lot this year, but I can't help but think that Tkachuk or Dubois are their first two choices here. Dubois gives them a big bodied winger who can open up some ice for guys like Gaudreau, Bennett, and Monahan moving forward. He's also ultra skilled and has the skating ability to keep up. As mentioned earlier about the Pacific, it's a physical division where size is important and Dubois gives you that."

Well if we luck out with Luc, I'll be happy.