Edmonton is No Good VIII: There's Still Something in the Water!

[Chi-Town Hustler]

I think stats aside, who is better for your team in the locker room, practices, etc.? Sure ain't the real heel Neal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler

I think stats aside, who is better for your team in the locker room, practices, etc.? Sure ain't the real heel Neal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At what point in this very short sequence does Sherwood realise that he has invoked the wrath of Milan Lucic and thinks to himself, "oh, god..."

[stang]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler

I think stats aside, who is better for your team in the locker room, practices, etc.? Sure ain't the real heel Neal.

The supposed “locker room issues” that the Flames are having, I’m almost certain Lucic is in the middle of it. His treatment of JP on the oilers supposedly caused a riff in the Oilers room and was also a big reason JP left. Was why Holland was so quick to get rid of him as soon as he came in. Neals struggling with after effects of covid still. He got sick again (non covid) after when he was trying to get back in shape. That’s what happens when you’re old lol.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by stang

The supposed “locker room issues” that the Flames are having, I’m almost certain Lucic is in the middle of it. His treatment of JP on the oilers supposedly caused a riff in the Oilers room and was also a big reason JP left. Was why Holland was so quick to get rid of him as soon as he came in. Neals struggling with after effects of covid still. He got sick again (non covid) after when he was trying to get back in shape. That’s what happens when you’re old lol.

That's not the feeling I get and I don't think there has been any evidence to suggest that. There haven't even been rumours, and this is one of the leakiest organizations in the league when it comes to dirty laundry.

The rift seemed to have more to do with some players not giving 100% and not pulling in the same direction. Some players wanted to go all offense and play their own style, and it seemed to piss of the ones that were willing to sacrifice more. If anything, Lucic has been more of the solution. There was also the Bennet situation, which was between him and the coaches. Sutter seems to be sorting that out gradually and the players look like they are buying in now.

Having said that, while I appreciate Lucic's zeal and toughness, I think the gifs above demonstrate dangerous acts and would prefer not to see that. I do think it's funny when a cocky player gets fed their lunch after taunting or picking fights with players smaller than them, the risk of causing a "Bertuzzi" incident is too much IMO. I have come to really like Lucic, but I don't condone that.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stang

... Neals struggling with after effects of covid still.

What was he struggling with before COVID that made him such a uselessly terrible hockey player?

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[AC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What was he struggling with before COVID that made him such a uselessly terrible hockey player?

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Turns out James Neal was patient zero and has been suffering from covid symptoms for years.

But truthfully, everything that we've seen or heard about the Flames locker-room, from the players and the media in the know all seem to point to Lucic being a huge positive influence.

[CaptainCrunch]

Um Covid in not a two year disease. Neal is awful without the puck, easy to bench and outside of some hot streaks a pretty invisible guy.


I don't think that Lucic is the problem in the locker room, and maybe JP deserved some rough treatment, Its great that he's come back with a better sense of maturity. But his first time around he clearly wasn't committed, wasn't putting in the effort to get better and came across as pretty entitled.



While Lucic is overpaid and nobody disagrees with that. At least he's not a ponzi scheme on two legs, relentlessly conning the Oilers every day that he's under contract with them.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by AC

Turns out James Neal was patient zero and has been suffering from covid symptoms for years.

But truthfully, everything that we've seen or heard about the Flames locker-room, from the players and the media in the know all seem to point to Lucic being a huge positive influence.

Of course. And there has been plenty of information posted here by reliable sources that James Neal was a dressing room blight that required expedient removal at any cost. Treliving did exceptionally well to turn malcontented, cancerous, useless James Neal into a competent hockey player, Milan Lucic.

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[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by stang

The supposed “locker room issues” that the Flames are having, I’m almost certain Lucic is in the middle of it. His treatment of JP on the oilers supposedly caused a riff in the Oilers room and was also a big reason JP left. Was why Holland was so quick to get rid of him as soon as he came in. Neals struggling with after effects of covid still. He got sick again (non covid) after when he was trying to get back in shape. That’s what happens when you’re old lol.

You're really reaching with this one.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by stang

The supposed “locker room issues” that the Flames are having, I’m almost certain Lucic is in the middle of it. His treatment of JP on the oilers supposedly caused a riff in the Oilers room and was also a big reason JP left. Was why Holland was so quick to get rid of him as soon as he came in. Neals struggling with after effects of covid still. He got sick again (non covid) after when he was trying to get back in shape. That’s what happens when you’re old lol.

Good. Don’t buy him out and sit him next season as well. lol

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by stang

The supposed “locker room issues” that the Flames are having, I’m almost certain Lucic is in the middle of it. His treatment of JP on the oilers supposedly caused a riff in the Oilers room and was also a big reason JP left. Was why Holland was so quick to get rid of him as soon as he came in. Neals struggling with after effects of covid still. He got sick again (non covid) after when he was trying to get back in shape. That’s what happens when you’re old lol.

Yeah thats why everybody was so happy to see Neal go. Hes a plug. It's over. Hes an Oiler now and will not play for another team in the NHL afterwards.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Um Covid in not a two year disease. Neal is awful without the puck, easy to bench and outside of some hot streaks a pretty invisible guy.

I don't think that Lucic is the problem in the locker room, and maybe JP deserved some rough treatment, Its great that he's come back with a better sense of maturity. But his first time around he clearly wasn't committed, wasn't putting in the effort to get better and came across as pretty entitled.

While Lucic is overpaid and nobody disagrees with that. At least he's not a ponzi scheme on two legs, relentlessly conning the Oilers every day that he's under contract with them.

That's assuming it's even true, sounds like BS oiler propaganda to me that the unwashed masses just gobble up as truth. There were also rumours that Connor didn't like Puljujarvi and didn't want him on his line but you won't see the oiler faithful trotting out that. From what we've seen of Neal and Lucic on this team I seriously doubt that Lucic is a problem and Neal is some beacon of leadership. Lucic faced adversity and redoubled his efforts to become a productive player again, Neal is completely done and has been since before Covid was a factor.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

You're really reaching with this one.

I’m reaching on the flames part for sure. Pure speculation. I heard and not from media that Lucic needed to leave the oilers so that much I know. Same guy who told me Toews has Lyme disease.

Just connecting the dots, and I could be way out to lunch. But earlier this year when Warrener went on his dressing room issue rant that’s exactly what went to my mind. Different guys fit in better in different rooms for sure.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

The team has had issues before Lucic showed up. I think it's just convenient to say it's Lucic's fault to try to save face after telling Flames fans after the trade how badly our team got screwed over.

He's finished, Neal's better, have to protect him in the expansion draft, now he's a cancer in the room.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stang

Just connecting the dots...

I am still waiting for you to enlighten us as to poor James Neal's struggles in the half-dozen or so months prior to his heroic encounter with COVID that rendered him such an ineffectual tit of a hockey player last year...

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[stang]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

The team has had issues before Lucic showed up. I think it's just convenient to say it's Lucic's fault to try to save face after telling Flames fans after the trade how badly our team got screwed over.

He's finished, Neal's better, have to protect him in the expansion draft, now he's a cancer in the room.

I heard that when he left.

When did the flames say their locker room was tight and never better?

[Vinny01]

I heard the Lucic stuff from a few Oiler fans specifically about his treatment of Puljujarvi. I also heard Neal was a complete D-bag teammate and hated by everyone except Smith as well it was the definition of 2 teams trading problems with each other.

In terms of the younger Flames Lucic seems to have great relationships with Dube and Mangiapane. I think he is one of the more popular Flames.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by stang

The supposed “locker room issues” that the Flames are having, I’m almost certain Lucic is in the middle of it. His treatment of JP on the oilers supposedly caused a riff in the Oilers room and was also a big reason JP left. Was why Holland was so quick to get rid of him as soon as he came in. Neals struggling with after effects of covid still. He got sick again (non covid) after when he was trying to get back in shape. That’s what happens when you’re old lol.

What an absolute load of crap!!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by stang

I heard that when he left.

When did the flames say their locker room was tight and never better?

During last season basically once Peters left they talked about how tight they are as a group.