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Southside · 06-10-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaV4

Just had a co-worker who attended a luncheon today and Brian Burke was there.
Got some interesting tidbits(If this has been discussed, I apologize)

-Don't be surprised if the Flames drop down in the draft, as there is a list players that they are interested in that may be available sub 6th pick.
-They have a list of coaches and it looks like they will be picking one after the draft.
-He has a number in his head for Sean and Johnny, which he feels is fair. If they take it they do, and if they don't they don't play.

Cripes Burke. I don't like the sounds of that comment on Johnny and Mony. It doesn't sound like a negotiation. Granted they're only restricted but that isn't the attitude to take with your 2 best players. The number will have to be seen as fair by all parties, not just you Burkie!

Vinny01 · 06-10-2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Southside

Cripes Burke. I don't like the sounds of that comment on Johnny and Mony. It doesn't sound like a negotiation. Granted they're only restricted but that isn't the attitude to take with your 2 best players. The number will have to be seen as fair by all parties, not just you Burkie!

Monahan could get offer sheeted easily so not as simple as "they don't play" Johnny has little options

CliffFletcher · 06-10-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaV4

Just had a co-worker who attended a luncheon today and Brian Burke was there.
Got some interesting tidbits(If this has been discussed, I apologize)

-Don't be surprised if the Flames drop down in the draft, as there is a list players that they are interested in that may be available sub 6th pick.

I really think a deal with the Habs works for both teams. The Habs get Brown, and with the Coyotes and Sabres likely to pick d-men, the Flames can still get their guy (probably Nylander) and pick up an early 2nd in the deal. That 2nd will be nice to restock the cupboards if the Flames need to use a 2nd to acquire a goalie.

OmegaV4 · 06-10-2016, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Monahan could get offer sheeted easily so not as simple as "they don't play" Johnny has little options

I would also agree with that. That's just Burke for you, so take it with a grain of salt IMO.

The Original FFIV · 06-10-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I really think a deal with the Habs works for both teams. The Habs get Brown, and with the Coyotes and Sabres likely to pick d-men, the Flames can still get their guy (probably Nylander) and pick up an early 2nd in the deal. That 2nd will be nice to restock the cupboards if the Flames need to use a 2nd to acquire a goalie.

Careful now. I got blasted for suggesting this a few days ago. Apparently we have too many 2nd rounders and shouldn't look at this option :/

The Original FFIV · 06-10-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaV4

Just had a co-worker who attended a luncheon today and Brian Burke was there.
Got some interesting tidbits(If this has been discussed, I apologize)

-Don't be surprised if the Flames drop down in the draft, as there is a list players that they are interested in that may be available sub 6th pick.
-They have a list of coaches and it looks like they will be picking one after the draft.
-He has a number in his head for Sean and Johnny, which he feels is fair. If they take it they do, and if they don't they don't play.

Funny how there's all the talk of 3,4,5 being available and all the sudden we are willing to as well. Screams of attention seeking.

DJones · 06-10-2016, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Funny how there's all the talk of 3,4,5 being available and all the sudden we are willing to as well. Screams of attention seeking.

They've been saying they're open to moving up or down for months. (or whenever the lottery was haha)

dammage79 · 06-10-2016, 02:33 PM

There's so much double speak from the Flames front office, you cannot take anything they put out there with any validity. Just Burke alone is playing the double back talk game so much I'd have a hard time believing him if he said his name was Brian Burke.

jayswin · 06-10-2016, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaV4

-He has a number in his head for Sean and Johnny, which he feels is fair. If they take it they do, and if they don't they don't play.

Yeah I'm sure that's how it'll go.

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dissentowner · 06-10-2016, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Careful now. I got blasted for suggesting this a few days ago. Apparently we have too many 2nd rounders and shouldn't look at this option :/

We do. Trading down for another 2nd makes no sense.

Lanny_McDonald · 06-10-2016, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

We do. Trading down for another 2nd makes no sense.

Unless their scouts tell them the BPA is available after they are scheduled to pick, and someone is willing to give up a pick in the range that player is available, and then some, to move up and take a player that team likes. There is no consensus board. The teams will have different lists and the Flames may believe, that after the top three, the next best player is one that may be available at 10-12. Take the asset, get your player, and then have another pick to take another player or asset in another deal.

CliffFletcher · 06-10-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

We do. Trading down for another 2nd makes no sense.

Yeah, because once you have two 2nd rounders another one has no value. Can't do anything with it.

Rick M. · 06-10-2016, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Unless their scouts tell them the BPA is available after they are scheduled to pick, and someone is willing to give up a pick in the range that player is available, and then some, to move up and take a player that team likes. There is no consensus board. The teams will have different lists and the Flames may believe, that after the top three, the next best player is one that may be available at 10-12. Take the asset, get your player, and then have another pick to take another player or asset in another deal.

The phrase "may be available at 10-12" is the operative one. The player you hope MAY be available just might not. Why risk shooting yourself in the foot just to gain a 4th second round pick.

Erick Estrada · 06-10-2016, 06:43 PM

Before everyone gets all excited about the Flames moving down the actual GM calling the shots (Treliving) said last week he expects to pick at 6. Don't expect any trading down although I wouldn't be shocked if they were one of the two teams kicking tires on the Columbus pick.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-10-2016, 06:54 PM

honestly, if calgary can trade down and get one of Keller, Nylander or Jost at 9, i'd be thrilled... especially if we could then try making a deal to move up into the late second and pick up one of the other lower ranked big men.

dissentowner · 06-10-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, because once you have two 2nd rounders another one has no value. Can't do anything with it.

Not my point. You are not getting the same caliber of player at 12 or 13 and with a weak draft after the 1st why would you do that? The Flames are not trading down just to grab another 2nd.

Bend it like Bourgeois · 06-10-2016, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Before everyone gets all excited about the Flames moving down the actual GM calling the shots (Treliving) said last week he expects to pick at 6. Don't expect any trading down although I wouldn't be shocked if they were one of the two teams kicking tires on the Columbus pick.

Could be Burke being Burke but I think the combine interviews and scouts getting together was in between? it's possible they have changed their thinking a bit.

PepsiFree · 06-10-2016, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not my point. You are not getting the same caliber of player at 12 or 13 and with a weak draft after the 1st why would you do that? The Flames are not trading down just to grab another 2nd.

You might. And who says you're dropping that far?

Say Brown, Nylander, Keller, and all the top defencemen are available at 6. Maybe you know your top pick out of those would last another 2-3 picks. Why WOULDN'T you trade down? It'd be insane not to.

After 5, the chances of you picking up a player that's the best at 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 is pretty close to equal. It's a tight group.

CliffFletcher · 06-10-2016, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not my point. You are not getting the same caliber of player at 12 or 13 and with a weak draft after the 1st why would you do that? The Flames are not trading down just to grab another 2nd.

The scenario is trading down from 6 to 9 because Montreal is hot to trot for Brown. If the Flames have Nylander, Brown, and the two D grouped together as roughly equal, then they can make that deal and still get one of their guys. And considering the needs of Arizona and Buffalo, there's a very good chance the guy left at 9 is Nylander.