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View Poll Results: Pick your top five selection list
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Ekblad-Reinhart-Draisaitl-Bennett-Dal Colle
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44 |
8.21% |
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Ekblad-Reinhart-Draisaitl-Dal Colle-Bennett
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7 |
1.31% |
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Ekblad-Reinhart-Bennett-Draisaitl-Dal Colle
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118 |
22.01% |
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Ekblad-Reinhart-Bennett-Dal Colle-Draisaitl
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56 |
10.45% |
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Ekblad-Draisaitl-Reinhart-Bennett-Dal Colle
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7 |
1.31% |
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Ekblad-Draisaitl-Reinhart-Dal Colle-Bennett
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4 |
0.75% |
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Ekblad-Bennett-Reinhart-Draisaitl-Dal Colle
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21 |
3.92% |
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Ekblad-Bennett-Reinhart-Dal Colle-Draisaitl
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10 |
1.87% |
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Ekblad-Bennett-Draisaitl-Reinhart-Dal Colle
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22 |
4.10% |
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Ekblad-Bennett-Draisaitl-Dal Colle-Reinhart
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4 |
0.75% |
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Reinhart-Ekblad-Draisaitl-Bennett-Dal Colle
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27 |
5.04% |
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Reinhart-Ekblad-Draisaitl-Dal Colle-Bennett
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9 |
1.68% |
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Reinhart-Ekblad-Bennett-Draisaitl-Dal Colle
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85 |
15.86% |
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Reinhart-Ekblad-Bennett-Dal Colle-Draisaitl
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41 |
7.65% |
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Reinhart-Ekblad-Dal Colle-Draisaitl-Bennett
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4 |
0.75% |
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Reinhart-Ekblad-Dal Colle-Bennett-Draisaitl
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2 |
0.37% |
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Reinhart-Draisaitl-Ekblad-Bennett-Dal Colle
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2 |
0.37% |
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Reinhart-Draisaitl-Bennett-Ekblad-Dal Colle
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1 |
0.19% |
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Reinhart-Draisaitl-Dal Colle-Ekblad-Bennett
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2 |
0.37% |
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Reinhart-Bennett-Ekblad-Draisaitl-Dal Colle
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19 |
3.54% |
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Reinhart-Bennett-Ekblad-Dal Colle-Draisaitl
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8 |
1.49% |
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Reinhart-Bennett-Draisaitl-Ekblad-Dal Colle
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9 |
1.68% |
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Bennett-Ekblad-Reinhart-Draisaitl-Dal Colle
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12 |
2.24% |
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Bennett-Ekblad-Draisaitl-Reinhart-Dal Colle
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2 |
0.37% |
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Bennett-Reinhart-Ekblad-Draisaitl-Dal Colle
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5 |
0.93% |
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Bennett-Reinhart-Ekblad-Dal Colle-Draisaitl
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6 |
1.12% |
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Bennett-Reinhart-Draisaitl-Ekblad-Dal Colle
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4 |
0.75% |
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Bennett-Draisaitl-Ekblad-Reinhart-Dal Colle
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1 |
0.19% |
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Bennett-Draisaitl-Ekblad-Dal Colle-Reinhart
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1 |
0.19% |
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Bennett-Draisaitl-Reinhart-Ekblad-Dal Colle
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3 |
0.56% |
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06-06-2014, 03:06 PM
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#5241
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by codynw
Why Virtanen over Ritchie? Everything about Ritchie points to him being a better player. Only thing Virtanen has over Ritchie is a RH shot.
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Kyle Woodlief was on 960 going over the draft - he praised Virtanen and critiqued Ritchie a little, though he was prompted to talk about why Ritchie might cause concerns (interview right on their front page - it's the Reinhart headline if you want to listen).
Virtanen has the best physical package of skills in the draft, his drawback is his hockey sense or he would be in the conversation for #1. Ritchie has two things that stand out in Woodlief's mind as drawbacks, has played 3 full years in the OHL and has a late birthdate yet has never been a dominant player in the OHL. Also is inconsistent and has not worked hard every game - unpredictable effort level.
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06-06-2014, 03:07 PM
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#5242
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Scoring Winger
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I have a feeling their list is
1. Ekblad
2. Bennett
3. Reinhart
4. Draisaitl
5. Ritchie
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06-06-2014, 03:12 PM
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#5243
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by northcrunk
If your going off the board to pick a power forward at #4 I would much rather Virtanen than Ritchie. I actually hope the flames keep their pick at 4 and try to get a second 1st to take Virtanen.
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Ritchie > Virtanen
I like the Lucic comparison with Ritchie.
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06-06-2014, 03:12 PM
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#5244
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Franchise Player
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Easier to fix effort level than it is to fix stupid.
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06-06-2014, 03:36 PM
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#5246
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First Line Centre
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Virtanen is also very fast for a power/physical winger.
I would prefer Virtanen myself but it doesnt really matter in the end as we are not going to end up with either of them.
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06-06-2014, 03:56 PM
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#5247
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First Line Centre
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Conroy on theFan960 talking about his new job.
http://pmd.fan960.com/audio_on_deman...-Interview.mp3
Near the end of the conversation, he mentions they have 4 guys that they are the most interested in, around the 15:00 minute mark. Pretty safe to assume they are the consensus big 4.
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06-06-2014, 03:59 PM
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#5248
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saXon
Conroy on theFan960 talking about his new job.
http://pmd.fan960.com/audio_on_deman...-Interview.mp3
Near the end of the conversation, he mentions they have 4 guys that they are the most interested in, around the 15:00 minute mark. Pretty safe to assume they are the consensus big 4. |
I don't know. He also says the Flames had Monahan ranked 4th last year. Just saying, the Flames didn't follow the consensus top 4 that draft.
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06-06-2014, 04:04 PM
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#5249
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
I don't know. He also says the Flames had Monahan ranked 4th last year. Just saying, the Flames didn't follow the consensus top 4 that draft.
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That lead me to believe they had either Jones or Drouin after 4 last season as they were predominantly looking for center depth.
I highly doubt they are looking outside the 4 guys in this draft. My personal intuition, however, you never know.
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06-06-2014, 04:07 PM
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#5250
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Franchise Player
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Probably went:
1.) MacKinnon
2.) Barkov Jr
3.) Lindholm
4.) Monahan
etc.
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06-06-2014, 04:09 PM
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#5251
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Franchise Player
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If they had Monahan 4th, they would have had him ahead of Lindholm for sure (as many of us armchair GMs did)
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06-06-2014, 04:10 PM
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#5252
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If they had Monahan 4th, they would have had him ahead of Lindholm for sure (as many of us armchair GMs did)
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Not necessarily. Lindholm went a spot before Monahan, so we'll never know exactly who they had before him.
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06-06-2014, 04:10 PM
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#5253
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If they had Monahan 4th, they would have had him ahead of Lindholm for sure (as many of us armchair GMs did)
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But behind Jones.
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06-06-2014, 04:11 PM
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#5254
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Franchise Player
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Yea, if he really was 4th I imagine it was:
MacKinnon
Barkov
Jones
Monahan
Maybe switch Jones and Barkov.
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06-06-2014, 04:49 PM
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#5255
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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To me, picking Virtanen or Ritchie at 4 would be exactly the "trying to be the smartest guy in the room" type of attitude that Feaster/Weisbrod were accused of having.
It's really not that hard for the Flames...just pick whoever is left of the Big 4. We should consider ourselves lucky that we are in the top 4 and take advantage of our situation, and not try to out-think ourselves. Think inside the box, guys.
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06-06-2014, 04:54 PM
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#5256
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Yeah, I don't see a real Nichushkin type wild card type of player in this years draft. The top four are the top four. the other tier of kids are lower.
At the end of the day, if the Flames end up with Draisaitl, they'll have two very skilled big bodied centers to build around for many years to come. Monahan/Draisaitl = Toews/Kopitar? Yeah that'll do in a pinch.
And thats not even accounting for the possibility a Sam falls to the Flames. It's too good to be true almost.
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06-06-2014, 05:13 PM
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#5257
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Franchise Player
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Though the 'consensus' top 4 is Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl and Bennett, will they really be the best players from this draft? Hindsight says no.
I imagine the Flames are doing more than just due-diligence in their scouting, and if they select a player outside of those 4 with their pick, then I applaud their courage to do so. Looking back at many drafts, those 'consensus' lists everyone likes to go by are often proved wrong.
Time will tell if the Flames select the best pick available or not. Whomever they select - including Ritchie, Virtanen or someone else - will end up being a very good building block for the future. All the prospects in the top 8 or 9 have vastly differing styles of play and strengths/weaknesses. I will have to trust the Flames' scouting department with whomever they choose, even if my favorite player is available and passed over at that pick.
There is a 'consensus' top 4, but the next 3-5 players all have legitimate high-end upside and have all been labeled as 'possible best player in the draft'.
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06-06-2014, 05:22 PM
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#5258
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
There is a 'consensus' top 4, but the next 3-5 players all have legitimate high-end upside and have all been labeled as 'possible best player in the draft'.
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Feel free to show otherwise, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone legitimate ever call Ritchie or Virtanen as the "possible best player in the draft". They've always been a tier or two below as far as I can recall. Personally, I would stay away from Virtanen even if our pick was in the 5-10 range. I just don't think the guy has the creativity to be a great player...he seems to just make the same move over and over. Maybe hockey IQ isn't as important to the Flames as during the Feaster era, but it better still be up there.
If we're going away from the Top 4, I'd much rather go with a guy like Dal Colle, who honestly to me seems to be the surest best in the Top 10 to reach his potential. Or a guy like Nylander (a guy who has potential to be that "best player in the draft").
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06-06-2014, 05:26 PM
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#5259
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
Though the 'consensus' top 4 is Ekblad, Reinhart, Draisaitl and Bennett, will they really be the best players from this draft? Hindsight says no.
I imagine the Flames are doing more than just due-diligence in their scouting, and if they select a player outside of those 4 with their pick, then I applaud their courage to do so. Looking back at many drafts, those 'consensus' lists everyone likes to go by are often proved wrong.
Time will tell if the Flames select the best pick available or not. Whomever they select - including Ritchie, Virtanen or someone else - will end up being a very good building block for the future. All the prospects in the top 8 or 9 have vastly differing styles of play and strengths/weaknesses. I will have to trust the Flames' scouting department with whomever they choose, even if my favorite player is available and passed over at that pick.
There is a 'consensus' top 4, but the next 3-5 players all have legitimate high-end upside and have all been labeled as 'possible best player in the draft'.
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The Flames should be going with the BPA since they are in the top 4 in this draft.
Downside: We get last pick
Upside: We get the last of the Fantastic Four.
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06-06-2014, 05:26 PM
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#5260
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Feel free to show otherwise, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone legitimate ever call Ritchie or Virtanen as the "possible best player in the draft". They've always been a tier or two below as far as I can recall. Personally, I would stay away from Virtanen even if our pick was in the 5-10 range. I just don't think the guy has the creativity to be a great player...he seems to just make the same move over and over. Maybe hockey IQ isn't as important to the Flames as during the Feaster era, but it better still be up there.
If we're going away from the Top 4, I'd much rather go with a guy like Dal Colle, who honestly to me seems to be the surest best in the Top 10 to reach his potential. Or a guy like Nylander (a guy who has potential to be that "best player in the draft").
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I too see the high skill/creative guys like Nylander and Ehlers as a tier above Ritchie/Virtanen.
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