2024 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by flambers

Jays are so miss-managed....yikes, another off-season with very little if nothing has been accomplished.

Hard to add players when they won't take your money, they just use you for leverage to get more money from a preferred destination.

[Inferno]

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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Inferno

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Same ball park eh Vlad? That must be a massive ballpark. Or maybe he meant both of them play baseball in a ball park??

Soto WAR by season: 3.7 / 5.5 / 2.5 / 6.8 / 3.7 / 6.0 / 8.1

Total - 36.3 in 7 seasons

Vlad WAR by season: 0.3 / 0.3 / 6.3 / 3.3 / 1.3 / 5.5

Total - 17.0 in 6 seasons

So if Vlad puts up a 19.3 WAR season in 2025 he'll have the same amount of career WAR as Soto did after 7 seasons.


WAR by career PA

Vlad = 0.0048 (2.4 WAR per 500 PAs)
Soto = 0.0089 (4.5 WAR per 500 PAs)

Yeah, same ball park alright.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hard to add players when they won't take your money, they just use you for leverage to get more money from a preferred destination.

Yet the Jays should of been fully aware of that, continue down the same path over and over

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by flambers

Yet the Jays should of been fully aware of that, continue down the same path over and over

Until they get better at drafting and developing, they're screwed.

They can keep trying to sign super stars when they become FA's but unless they are already a powerhouse with a bright future, those types will always have better options.

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Same ball park eh Vlad? That must be a massive ballpark. Or maybe he meant both of them play baseball in a ball park??

Soto WAR by season: 3.7 / 5.5 / 2.5 / 6.8 / 3.7 / 6.0 / 8.1

Total - 36.3 in 7 seasons

Vlad WAR by season: 0.3 / 0.3 / 6.3 / 3.3 / 1.3 / 5.5

Total - 17.0 in 6 seasons

So if Vlad puts up a 19.3 WAR season in 2025 he'll have the same amount of career WAR as Soto did after 7 seasons.


WAR by career PA

Vlad = 0.0048 (2.4 WAR per 500 PAs)
Soto = 0.0089 (4.5 WAR per 500 PAs)

Yeah, same ball park alright.

Man. You really hate Vlad eh? Lol

It's almost like WAR isn't the be all end all of baseball. You know who had the same amount of WAR through their first seven seasons as Soto? Andrelton Simmons. Let that sink in.

Vlad's bat is absolutely in the same realm as Soto. His WAR is skewed by the position he plays. And he plays his position miles better than Soto plays RF. The Dodgers and Mets are skewing contracts with the dick wagging contests. Soto isnt worth twice as much as Bryce Harper. And unfortunately now the Jays, or someone else, is going to have to significantly overpay for Vlad too.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Man. You really hate Vlad eh? Lol

It's almost like WAR isn't the be all end all of baseball. You know who had the same amount of WAR through their first seven seasons as Soto? Andrelton Simmons. Let that sink in.

Vlad's bat is absolutely in the same realm as Soto. His WAR is skewed by the position he plays. And he plays his position miles better than Soto plays RF. The Dodgers and Mets are skewing contracts with the dick wagging contests. Soto isnt worth twice as much as Bryce Harper. And unfortunately now the Jays, or someone else, is going to have to significantly overpay for Vlad too.

Career 158 wRC+ vs career 137 wRC+
Career .532 SLG% vs career .500 SLG%
Career .421 OBP% vs career .363 OBP%
Career 18.8 walk % vs career 9.9 walk %

I mean, I could go on....

Not to mention Soto has won a championship and been to another WS, where as Vlad gets picked off of 2nd base as the TRAIL runner to end the Jays championship hopes.

I don't hate Vlad,, but he's not as good as he thinks he is IMO

[flamingred89]

Fair enough. Vlad is definitely the more frustrating of the two players. With his penchant for bone headed plays and bone headed AB's.

I'm also just bitter about the Soto situation because that contract is ludicrous for someone who is going to be a DH in a season or two. And who's stats are greatly buoyed by walks and his stupid crouching stance. I'd rather watch Vlad hit 110mph piss missiles right at someone than a player who draws a 2 out walk and does a little shuffle.

[Andrew]

Vlad issue is consistency. Arguably he hasn't had the protection soto has had in the past year
Also been under Martinez whole career. What can popich do? Soto unleashed some power on yankees.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Josh Naylor to the Dbacks

I wish the Jays had snagged him. Would have been a cheap way to add some WAR in the form of a lefty bat with some power.

Maybe he wasn't keen on being mostly a DH

Or being a mascot for Canada and he would be forced into, especially with Romano gone. Or less Arizona taxes. But yes, that's the secondary tier of talent out there that you'd hope the Jays can get, and they are whiffing.

You'd like to think Ed Rogers has some independent sources to feed him some info on these things, market conditions etc, and not soley relying on the smooth talking Shapiro as the source of all his info as to why they are missing out on players on all tier types.

As for Vlad, yes everyone's number went up after Soto signed, nevermind sluggers. My guess is he's looking for over $400M, how much more depends on term.

[bluejays]

Soto’s been more consistent, no doubt. I became a Vlad fan again after he showed last year he has the capability of bouncing back. There are major risks with signing him to a Soto deal. Very well may be like Fielder Jr. To go past ten years is crazy. I’d rather do a higher salary than lock him in for so long in a high contract. If he’s pushing for more than ten years and means business than time to move on. He’s earned the right to ask for whatever but Atkins is the one who messed up here. Not seeing how high Ohtani and Soto went is on him as he would have had a pulse on it. Vlad will get paid bigtime next year regardless of being on the Jays or not.

[Andrew]

Beuhler and Sandoval to red Sox. What is Atkins doing sign somebody ��

[flambers]

I can't wait to read the spin from Atkins on this off-season

Should be interesting

[SuperMatt18]

The guys who the Jays have been most rumoured to be involved with have been Soto, Burnes, Bregman, Santander, and Hernandez, and outside of Soto none of those guys have signed yet.

Really the guys like Beuhler and Sandoval that have signed weren't linked to the Jays in any real way anyways.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The guys who the Jays have been most rumoured to be involved with have been Soto, Burnes, Bregman, Santander, and Hernandez, and outside of Soto none of those guys have signed yet.

Really the guys like Beuhler and Sandoval that have signed weren't linked to the Jays in any real way anyways.

Maybe Teo but anybody else on that list we have no chance imo

[JTech780]

At this point, after Vladdy’s interview, Atkins has to figure out what they are doing with him before they worry about signing anyone else.

Are they comfortable going to $500m? That’s probably what it will take to get him signed right now. If they aren’t they have to move him now. Most teams already have their 1B options locked up.

I could see the Mets waiting to see what will happen with Vladdy, before turning to Alonso.

I would prefer to see Vladdy signed long term, but if they can’t sort it out soon, they have to move him.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by JTech780

At this point, after Vladdy’s interview, Atkins has to figure out what they are doing with him before they worry about signing anyone else.

Are they comfortable going to $500m? That’s probably what it will take to get him signed right now. If they aren’t they have to move him now. Most teams already have their 1B options locked up.

I could see the Mets waiting to see what will happen with Vladdy, before turning to Alonso.

I would prefer to see Vladdy signed long term, but if they can’t sort it out soon, they have to move him.

As of now the Jays have 2 players signed past 2026 and that's Berrios and Gimenez. Not exactly sitting on young arbitration level talent either.

Easy to say well I guess they aren't taking our money, but at the same time if your pitching Free agents on signing for multiple years it becomes a really tough sell when you future is this cloudy. Trying not to blame everything on management but when your planning is this poor, it's hard not to.

[flambers]

Management has made so many mistakes, its mind boggling.

They keep trying to sign high profile players, yet their own are left unsigned.

Vladdy situation should have been dealt with a long time ago.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by flambers

Management has made so many mistakes, its mind boggling.

They keep trying to sign high profile players, yet their own are left unsigned.

Vladdy situation should have been dealt with a long time ago.

People keep saying this but if Vlad and Bo won't sign for anything other than a superstar level contract then there is sweet F all the front office can do....well, except sign them to superstar level contracts. And that is a terrible idea IMO. They are not worth it.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

People keep saying this but if Vlad and Bo won't sign for anything other than a superstar level contract then there is sweet F all the front office can do....well, except sign them to superstar level contracts. And that is a terrible idea IMO. They are not worth it.

They could also trade them. Which at this point is probably the best option if they won't re-sign at reasonable prices, which seems likely. Especially for Vlad - seeing what Soto got and the season he had last year, makes sense to bet on yourself, imo, short of a big overpay.

The Jays aren't contenders this year without multiple more bats that it doesn't look like they're getting. Given that, it probably makes sense to recoup assets on the pending FAs. Could just plan for comp picks I suppose, but I'd think they'd get considerably more than that for Vlad especially.