2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Last Flames center to score 82+ points prior to Mony?

Savard and Jokinen did so, but not as Flames.
Nieuwendyk was over a point per game in 94-95 but did not hit 82 points.

But the answer is Robert Reichel, who had 93 points in 84 games during the 93-94 season. However, most fan agree Reichel still wasn't good enough.

Nieuwendyk had 95 points in 79 games during the 89-90 season.
Gilmour also hit the 90 point plateau that same season.
Ahh he good ol days.

Mike Bullard was the last center to break 100 points (87-88).

And Gaudreau's 18-19 season was the highest point total for any position (99) since Fleury got 100 points in 92-93.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

People on HF are offering Monny and Tkachuk... They are completely out to lunch.

Monahan and a small plus is it for me ( even hate adding the small plus).

He wants out, no reason to pay a premium.

It is HF, what did you expect? I guarantee they would think next year's 1st overall pick would be worth more than all three of those guys together.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Well TJ Brodie is gone now so we need a new homegrown player that isn’t perfect to undervalue on this roster, looks like Monahan is going to be that guy.

Is he great defensively? No he’s not but the coaching staff should live with that and lean into it and use him and Gaudreau in an offensive role. I think part of their decline last year was the coaching staff was trying to force a square peg into a round hole and was using them more against other teams top lines and defensive zone starts. That’s just not their game - let them be offensive.

Since Monahan joined the league in 13-14 there are 516 players listed as centres in the NHL.

In that time Monahan ranks 8th among all centres in goals with 194. That seems pretty good. And he ranks 18th in points among centres - that seems decent too.

Does he have his flaws? Sure but in the end he still produces at top end rate and people seem to just want to overlook that because it fits a certain narrative.

Some of us recognize that there’s a lot more to being an effective centre in the NHL than scoring goals, and Monahan is not very good at those other things. You see it in the playoffs. If Monahan is not scoring goals, he’s simply not an effective player. Especially without the puck. It creates terrible matchup problems for Flames coaches.

[Poe969]

I think PLD should be a "must get" for Tre right now. It would be amazing if they could keep Monahan while adding him. I wonder if there is any way to move Backlund+ but that plus would have to be a lot.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think PLD should be a "must get" for Tre right now. It would be amazing if they could keep Monahan while adding him. I wonder if there is any way to move Backlund+ but that plus would have to be a lot.

There is no way a Backlund+ deal gets in done. Backlund would not waive for Columbus first and foremost and the Flames don’t have a prospect remotely attractive enough to attach to Backs to get PLD.

It is the equivalent of a Flyers fan speculating what + is required to add to Voracek in order to land Tkachuk. It wouldn’t even be a consideration for the Flames despite the Flyers have significantly better prospects than the Flames.


We can’t be like: “we must trade for Dubois but it can’t be for Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Valimaki, Andersson, Dube”


To add that core player it is going to cost us a core player and likely +. Tkachuk would not be on the table and I suspect Lindholm wouldn’t be either (although straight up it is an interesting deal).

The most realistic offer I have read from my perspective is Monahan+Mangipane which gives the Jackets 2 top 6 forwards which is what I think they would want.


Jarmo hasn’t lost a blockbuster that I can remember either.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would also argue that trading Backlund in the deal would make the team overall less 'elite' down the middle.


The thing that makes Backlund very valuable to the Flames is that he gets buried in zone starts and plays against the toughest competition - and he comes out of it usually as a plus player. This is important because the rest of the time, the other lines can get all the offensive zone starts and can concentrate more on generating offence rather than worrying as much on defence.



Every minute that Backlund is on the ice gives the other centres another easier minute to score.



No player is untouchable, and of course you have to give in order to get. I just hope that Backlund is retained on this team through whatever deals may come down the line, as I really do think he is a player that helps this team win.

[Tkachukwagon]

On waivers today:

Zack Smith CHI
Marko Dano WPG

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346142598856122368

[Toonage]

Smith was allegedly coveted by Treliving several trade deadlines ago.

Let's all hope that feeling has passed.

[simmer2]

If Zach Smith can't make Chicago, that's a problem

[Monahammer]

I know he's pretty washed now, but I was surprised that Dano never converted to the NHL well.

[Poe969]

I know it couldn't be Backlund + for PLD, that kinda came out wrong. I mean move Backlund (and/or) Gaudreau and then flip the return for PLD. I think if Backlund were to accept a trade, the return wouldn't be too bad. If they were to trade Johnny, they'd get a pretty good return IMO and then mix that up with something of their own to get PLD.

And if you subtract Backlund from this team and replace him with PLD, this team gets a lot better. Sure, Backlund is a good defensive forward but offensively he isn't as good as PLD or Monahan. Imagine having this down the middle.

PLD
Monahan/Lindholm
Ryan/Bennett
Bennett/Ryan

Ryan is a really good defensive forward IMO, his line could take all the important defensive matchups and depending on how Bennett plays ths year, his line could be a third scoring line or energy line. More importantly, swapping Backlund with PLD gives this team more scoring options. Tkachuck would get a more offensive C to play with in either PLD or Monahan.

I just really think PLD is the kind of kid that you move whatever you have to in order to get him. Depth down the middle is crucial for success, wingers are a lot easier to come by and a good C can make average wingers look good but good wingers have a hard time carrying an average center. Give the jackets whatever it takes, and I think everyone should be on the table. I would think that Tkachuck has more value and I would want them to add to PLD to get him but I would be open to moving him for PLD.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I know he's pretty washed now, but I was surprised that Dano never converted to the NHL well.

For some reason I thought he was good.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bonded

For some reason I thought he was good.

WJC Syndrome- had a great tourny with 9 pts in 6 games, and followed it up with a pretty strong NHL rookie campaign in Columbus 21 pts in 35 games. Then the wheels completely fell off the bus.

[CliffFletcher]

It’s not clear why Dubois wants a trade. If he wants to play in a bigger market for an owner with deeper pockets, it’s unlikely Calgary would be in the running.

The salary cap addressed the most egregious disparities between NHL franchises. But this is still a two or three-tiered league when it comes to stars and where they want to play.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s not clear why Dubois wants a trade. If he wants to play in a bigger market for an owner with deeper pockets, it’s unlikely Calgary would be in the running.

The salary cap addressed the most egregious disparities between NHL franchises. But this is still a two or three-tiered league when it comes to stars and where they want to play.

The negotiations apparently soured the relationship.

I feel like it's likely, much like Barzal, that Dubois was after near max-term big dollar contract.

Want to see a player who really wants to be traded? Hi, Patrik:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346193257450102785

[Poe969]

Maybe he has personality issues with the coach or some teammates, like Douggie did. It doesn't mean he's going to be a bad fit on any other team. Maybe he just wants to play in a Canadian market...and maybe he had Flames PJ's growing up...

[Sandman]

He always seems like such a d-bag.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Maybe he has personality issues with the coach or some teammates, like Douggie did. It doesn't mean he's going to be a bad fit on any other team. Maybe he just wants to play in a Canadian market...and maybe he had Flames PJ's growing up...

I think he ticks a little different than most hockey players, not unlike Dougie.
The play where he got hurt colliding with Gio is an example, there's a moment after they collide where Laine reaches out almost to be like "oops you OK".
It was a small thing, but an example of where I don't think he's your typical hockey guy.
At around 12 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vax8ezESays

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It’s not clear why Dubois wants a trade. If he wants to play in a bigger market for an owner with deeper pockets, it’s unlikely Calgary would be in the running.

The salary cap addressed the most egregious disparities between NHL franchises. But this is still a two or three-tiered league when it comes to stars and where they want to play.

Listening to Freidman, he says it's a cumulation of everything. So contract negotiation process wasn't smooth, had some disagreements with Torts, and also wants to be in a bigger market.

Either way, it doesn't sound like Calgary would be a place he wants to be at long term.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Listening to Freidman, he says it's a cumulation of everything. So contract negotiation process wasn't smooth, had some disagreements with Torts, and also wants to be in a bigger market.

Either way, it doesn't sound like Calgary would be a place he wants to be at long term.

Bigger market could mean a lot of things though. There is a lot of space between Columbus and say New York or L.A. Especially when you consider that the market isn’t only defined by population.

Calgary would offer him a lot more exposure than some places that are often labelled big markets.

If it is an exposure and notoriety issue, Calgary is a good place to be. If he wants Hollywood ,see broadway, get avocado toast 24-7, or mingle with the stars, then no I guess