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Monahammer · 08-10-2022, 01:06 PM

Re: Toews. He can fit at 50% retained if we ship Dube or equivalent out in the trade.

Jiri Hrdina · 08-10-2022, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

^^ Its really too bad the Flames had so much on the go that Tre couldn't sneak in the deal the Kraken got for Bjorkstrand. That would have solved a ton.

That assumes that the Flames both like the player and were not in on it. I wouldn't assume that they were too busy and that's why it didn't happen.
All things being equal picks from Seattle have more value than picks from the Flames. so they would have had to offer more or better picks.

GioforPM · 08-10-2022, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I hear what you're saying, but all three of Necas' seasons so far have exceeded Jarnkrok's career high for pts. But they are definitely similar in the sense that their ability to play C is largely theoretical at this point.

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not comparable. Necas has serious upside, like top 2 C upside.

Like I said, I’m not comparing the players, just the hype on the board for a relatively lesser name. And I bet I could find you some posts saying Jarnkrok was a middle six C which implies 2C upside to me.

The Cobra · 08-10-2022, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

I think he would be, especially if he wants out.

At 50% retention the cost would start at a first round pick.

I expect if he’s traded, it’s a deadline deal, where a 50% retention would seriously drive up his price.

Fan69 · 08-10-2022, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Re: Toews. He can fit at 50% retained if we ship Dube or equivalent out in the trade.

Just no and no and no. If we’re expending assets then spend them on a real Center that can stay for the foreseeable future. I just don’t get this fascination with bringing in has beens at max cost, not to mention moving a dube to do it.

Is teows the difference between winning and losing over a stastny who you can sign for free? I highly doubt it. Could teows go on a magical run? Sure possible? Would I bet a first and dube on it? No today zurg!

Monahammer · 08-10-2022, 01:22 PM

I wasn't arguing one way or another, I just thought it was interesting that he could be accomodated on the roster. But, more directly to your point, I think it's fairly obvious that Toews >> Stastny, especially considering playoff past. We are only 2 seasons removed from Toews neutering McDavid in the playoffs, for example. I think he's still got more than enough in the tank for a healthy playoff run. Might not be a huge in season add but brings ample talent and gravitas to outweigh that.

SuperMatt18 · 08-10-2022, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m not familiar with Necas at all, and I’m certainly not comparing the players, but all this talk reminds me a lot of how a large chunk of the board pined after Jarnkrok and claimed he’d be the 3C we needed.

People didn't really think of Jarnkrok as a center to be honest more a defensively responsible forward but we decided to play him at cetner.

Also Jarnkrok was fine here (he got PDO'D) and should have been re-signed to that deal he got in Toronto IMO. $2.1M is nothing really and think he could have helped shore up the bottom 6, either as C or RW

Monahammer · 08-10-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

People didn't really think of Jarnkrok as a center to be honest more a defensively responsible forward but we decided to play him at cetner.

Also Jarnkrok was fine here (he got PDO'D) and should have been re-signed to that deal he got in Toronto IMO. $2.1M is nothing really and think he could have helped shore up the bottom 6, either as C or RW

I'd take Jarnkrok at 2.1 over Rooney at 1.3 any day.

GioforPM · 08-10-2022, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

People didn't really think of Jarnkrok as a center to be honest more a defensively responsible forward but we decided to play him at cetner.

Also Jarnkrok was fine here (he got PDO'D) and should have been re-signed to that deal he got in Toronto IMO. $2.1M is nothing really and think he could have helped shore up the bottom 6, either as C or RW

I didn’t think of him as a centre, because he didn’t play C in Seattle. But go back and have a look at the posts asking Treliving to get him. They all said he should play centre.

I don’t disagree Jarnkrok was fine in his role.

Enoch Root · 08-10-2022, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Re: Toews. He can fit at 50% retained if we ship Dube or equivalent out in the trade.

Better to just wait 2 or 3 months, then we could afford him without giving up any roster players

(not that I think he is the best answer, just saying)

Leeman4Gilmour · 08-10-2022, 02:18 PM

0's and periods....gotta see them.

dustygoon · 08-10-2022, 02:19 PM

Relief.

Knut · 08-10-2022, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557042612804243461

Pretty much in line with other speculation. But, yikes.

FAke account.

camm13 · 08-10-2022, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

https://twitter.com/user/status/1557042612804243461

Pretty much in line with other speculation. But, yikes.

That's a fake account.

getbak · 08-10-2022, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

0's and periods....gotta see them.

Just look for the blue check mark. If there isn't one, it's not likely a reliable source.

Also, check the date. That was posted over a day ago. If it was legit, there would definitely be a thread about it already.

CliffFletcher · 08-10-2022, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

As the bones of a deal I would look at Kylington+ for Necas or Necas+ for Hanifin.

That sounds about right. But the Canes have one of the best D groups in the league already. Is Kylington really any better than Skjei? So while Necas is a good fit for the Flames, I don’t see a trade that helps both teams.

A deal with NYT for Chytil might be a better fit for both teams, and cheaper (Kylington straight up probably gets it done).

Jiri Hrdina · 08-10-2022, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That sounds about right. But the Canes have one of the best D groups in the league already. Is Kylington really any better than Skjei? So while Necas is a good fit for the Flames, I don’t see a trade that helps both teams.

A deal with NYT for Chytil might be a better fit for both teams, and cheaper (Kylington straight up probably gets it done).

Or Kravstov
Though NYR similarly is stacked on the blueline and is already having a hard time working a guy like Jones into the lineup who is probably NHL ready.
So probably not a fit there either.
Wellity wellity wellity.

Sandman · 08-10-2022, 05:13 PM

Strangely enough, I just read an article by The Hockey Writers where they theorize that the Rangers' aquisition of Trochek likely means the end of Filip Chytil's time in NY, as Trochek will be 2C. I don't necessarily agree, but Chytil would be a great aquisition. He's a 6'3" C with speed and skill. He had 22 pts in 42 games in 2020-21, but regressed to 22pts in 67 games last year, although I thought he looked in the playoffs (9 pts in 20 games).

dammage79 · 08-10-2022, 05:18 PM

Chytil IMO, is streaky AF like Zadina. More polished and consistent in between but same gamble on either of em. I'd take either in a d man swap. Would prefer Kravstov though. Just think he'd be benefitting being the top line RW for Lindy and Hubey. Just a hunch.

At worst a total middle 6 rw.

Sofa GM · 08-10-2022, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Chytil IMO, is streaky AF like Zadina. More polished and consistent in between but same gamble on either of em. I'd take in a d man swap. Would prefer Kravstov though. Just thunk he'd be benefitting being the top line RW for Lindy and Hubey. Just a hunch.

At worst a total middle 6 rw.

I agree, I would like to see what Kravstov would do. Not sure he fits in the Sutter mould though.