2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I hope its not us

It's going to be while until Treliving is able to trade valued picks seeing the team has no 2nd round picks and only on 1st round pick in the 2018 and 2019 drafts. Even 3rd rounders are slim as I think the Flames still owe the Blues a 3rd round pick for the Elliot trade and then the 2019 3rd goes to the Coyotes for Smith. This team has a single high valued pick in the next two drafts and that's the 2019 1st. The thing with the Hamonic trade that maybe doesn't get talked about is that it kind of really hurt the chances of the Flames addressing that RW void in the next couple of seasons. All that is left for the Flames are player for player trades or free agency. I kind of get the feeling the team may take a run at Kane in free agency.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I'm going off of memory here but the only players on the Flames who have scored 70+ points since Iggy is Johnny and Hudler. What exactly are you expecting? Would Stone not compliment our top line perfectly?

If we can swing a deal round Brodie and Stone you pull the trigger, I agree.

PS Monahan is only a top 20 centre when it comes goal scoring, he lacks many aspects of his game to be true #1 centre in this league.

Nothing is wrong with Stone. I was just referring to a comment earlier that he was a 75-point guy.

PS: Thanks for the opinion on Monahan.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's going to be while until Treliving is able to trade valued picks seeing the team has no 2nd round picks and only on 1st round pick in the 2018 and 2019 drafts. Even 3rd rounders are slim as I think the Flames still owe the Blues a 3rd round pick for the Elliot trade and then the 2019 3rd goes to the Coyotes for Smith. This team has a single high valued pick in the next two drafts and that's the 2019 1st. The thing with the Hamonic trade that maybe doesn't get talked about is that it kind of really hurt the chances of the Flames addressing that RW void in the next couple of seasons. All that is left for the Flames are player for player trades or free agency. I kind of get the feeling the team may take a run at Kane in free agency.

There is not a 3rd owed to the Blues for Elliott. They needed to re-sign him for that condition to be met. If the Flames make the playoffs this year however the 3rd they owe to Arizona for Smith becomes a 2nd next year and then the Islanders get the 2020 2nd from the Flames

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think time is an issue on the Flames front, so “closer to deadline” likely means we’re not the team.

Without Frolik, our pre-existing depth issues up front are going to become an issue, and fast (in my opinion). If Treliving is looking to stay the course (be a playoff team), the time to act is now...but failing that, and given our schedule this month, a bad or even “50/50” month of January will bury us.

All that being said, and the lack of rumblings regarding Backlund...is it crazy to think that he was/is Treliving’s back-up plan to recoup the picks moved in the Hamonic deal (if a contract can’t be ironed out).

Couldn’t agree with you more. I don’t see us committing to Backlund at the term abs money he will want. We have to be very careful about where we allocate dollars and factoring in what we have in the pipeline. We can promote Jankowski and move Bennett to C and not miss a beat. We have organizational depth at LW which we can slide in nicely. Dube looks like the real deal which will add to the logjam.

Backlund has been a good player for us but I can see us recouping a late first from a contender at the deadline as there are teams in the east (NYR, Columbus and Pittsburgh) who will need s Backlund type player in order to make a push. I think a poll on Backlunds future would be very interesting albeit divisive as he has a lot of fans on this forum.

[Vinny01]

I don’t think moving Jankowski to the 2nd line and Bennett back to centre will result in the Flames not skipping a beat without Backlund. At least not right away.

[ResAlien]

I keep seeing it repeated but the flames do have a 2nd in 2018 don’t they? It only goes to the coyotes if the flames make the playoffs IIRC.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think moving Jankowski to the 2nd line and Bennett back to centre will result in the Flames not skipping a beat without Backlund. At least not right away.

It's a trade-off.

If the re-sign Backlund, he'll be very effective towards the beginning of his contract and less effective for his cap hit towards the end.

If they move on from Backlund and expect Janko to takeover, the Flames will struggle for a few years but then have (hopefully) a great 2nd line C in Janko down the road without Backlund's cap hit.

Since the Flames are obviously in some sort of "win now" mode, I don't think they'll let Backlund walk and simply replace him with Janko/Bennett.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I keep seeing it repeated but the flames do have a 2nd in 2018 don’t they? It only goes to the coyotes if the flames make the playoffs IIRC.

The 2018 1st and 2018 2nd went to the Islanders in the Hamonic trade. The Islanders also get the 2019 or 2020 2nd depending on whether the Flames have to send the 2019 2nd to Arizona as part of a condition for the Mike Smith trade.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I keep seeing it repeated but the flames do have a 2nd in 2018 don’t they? It only goes to the coyotes if the flames make the playoffs IIRC.

Here is how hownit breaks down

2018 1st- Islanders
2018 2nd - Islanders
2019 2nd - Coyotes or Islanders (depending if we make playoffs this year)
2019 3rd - Coyotes only if we miss playoffs
2020 2nd -Islanders if we make playoffs this year

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I keep seeing it repeated but the flames do have a 2nd in 2018 don’t they? It only goes to the coyotes if the flames make the playoffs IIRC.

It goes to either the Coyotes or Islanders.

Highest pick the Flames have this year will be either the FLA 4th (Hudler trade) or the Flames 4th round pick

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Here is how hownit breaks down

2018 1st- Islanders
2018 2nd - Islanders
2019 2nd - Coyotes or Islanders (depending if we make playoffs this year)
2019 3rd - Coyotes only if we miss playoffs
2020 2nd -Islanders if we make playoffs this year

So 2021 until we have a 1st and 2nd... kind of scary

[ResAlien]

It seems I was misinformed. Good thing I kept all these pitchforks and torches.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think moving Jankowski to the 2nd line and Bennett back to centre will result in the Flames not skipping a beat without Backlund. At least not right away.

In my opinion this is not correct, although it's hard to tell what your point is actually with the use of the double negitive. Backland should be retained, and there is a gaping hole in the lineup without him. Jankowski and Bennett do not elevate the play of their linemates the same way that Backland has done for every player he has been played with (exception Troy Brouwer) for the last 4 years. The Backlund bump is real, and if you think moving Bennett back to 3rd line center fills a need, I ask you what Sam Bennet has done to demonstrate to you that he is a capable center. I'm high on Janko too, but the sample size is too small, it's impossible to speculate at this time what his ceiling is. Replacing Backland with Janko isn't a push. Backs was selkie Calibur last year. What are you trading to fill that hole if you let him walk, and had to replace him with someone from outside the team? Just pony up whatever reasonable amount of money he wants, and try to limit term to 4-5 years. If he wants an unreasonable amount of money, trade him ++ to draft Brady Tkchuck.

[Vinny01]

Sorry for how that was worded

I do not believe Jankowski and Bennett can fill the hole created by moving Backlund. We wouldn’t just skip a beat and the team would struggle

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I hadn’t realized that Backlund had signed such a team friendly, low market deal?



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It’s largely speculated around these parts that’s close to what he will sign for.

Don’t be a such a jack@$$.

[Badgers Nose]

This thread and the team’s lack of picks is filling me with despair. I liked it better when Stamkos and Tavares were coming here.

[Tinordi]

If this is the real Flames, then Treliving sure spent a lot of assets to build a mediocre team. I'm more and more skeptical of this hockey truism to build from the backend out. How many successful teams are D-loaded that have gone deep. Nashville sure. But their D is truly special. Who else? Seems like you need one great D, two effective guys and then 3 guys that can hold their head above water. That Tre thought he needed Hamonic AND Stone while we have 4 prospects chomping at the bit to get in isn't looking great from an asset management perspective.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

This thread and the team’s lack of picks is filling me with despair. I liked it better when Stamkos and Tavares were coming here.

and Ovechkin

[BigFlameDog]

I know the Flames won't get that 1st back unless the bottom falls out and there is a fire sale (I do not believe this at all) but I think they can probably find a way to recoup a second or two if they want.

[sureLoss]

According to Craig Custance, Anthony Duclair has requested a trade from the coyotes.

Friedman speculated earlier in the week the Flames could be interested.