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Old 05-09-2009, 04:45 PM   #501
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"Otters were once hunted for their fur and were thought of as a pest, competing with fishermen for fish. In spite of these pressures, otters were widespread throughout Britain and the population remained steady until the 1950s when it declined rapidly. Otter-hunting was banned in England and Wales in 1979 and in Scotland in 1982. They are now rare or absent from lowland areas of England such as the Midlands and the South.

The main reasons for the dramatic reduction in the number of otters has been disturbance and pollution. Since the 1950s riverside habitats have been drastically changed by farming and building techniques in addition to clearing for drainage. In other words, riverbanks have become far too tidy for the secretive otter. Watersports have also added to the disturbance of waterways.

Pollution of freshwater habitats has probably had the greatest impact on otters. The use of pesticides was greatly increased during the 1950s, particularly aldrin and dieldrin. These were washed off the land into rivers etc. and contaminated fish with tiny amounts of poison. Even though the fish may not be affected, the poison gradually accumalates in an otter eating a lot of fish, resulting in its death. Although most of these pesticides have been restricted since 1962, otter numbers have not increased a great deal.

Otters have been protected by law since 1981 but a major threat to them now is traffic on the roads. Almost 70 per cent of otters found dead in Britain are killed on the roads. Most of these are males, following established routes through their territories which have been crossed by busy new roads."

It is still MAN that is the problem.

PS My connection between the seals and the mink was that they are killed for their pelts - that was all.
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:55 PM   #502
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Let's cut the Gordian knot and make everyone happy - from now on, all testing on animals will be replaced by testing on members of PETA, the ALF, and similar organizations. I'm also all for the carving up of vegetarians into tasty longpork to save the cows.

This way, the animals get saved, testing gets done, everyone who wants it can have meat, and the supply of ecodrones and preachbots dries up. Wins all around!
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Old 05-09-2009, 04:58 PM   #503
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The otter, which was hunted by man to near extinction, in England is now having something of a resurgence.
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The main reasons for the dramatic reduction in the number of otters has been disturbance and pollution.
Will you please make up your mind?

Which one is it?

And again, I can post anything and you can take my word for it. If you want the conversation to continue then again I ask for links to back up your "statements".

Let me have a go: Seals have undergone a population explosion in the Atlantic NW despite the hunting. This suggests that the hunting might be having a positive impact despite some animal rights groups claims. [No link provided.]

See how easy it is?
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:09 PM   #504
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Let's cut the Gordian knot and make everyone happy - from now on, all testing on animals will be replaced by testing on members of PETA, the ALF, and similar organizations. I'm also all for the carving up of vegetarians into tasty longpork to save the cows.

This way, the animals get saved, testing gets done, everyone who wants it can have meat, and the supply of ecodrones and preachbots dries up. Wins all around!

At the risk of sounding racist, would that be considered to be light or dark meat, and what whine do you think would go best with that. Possibly a nice chilled Chianti?
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:15 PM   #505
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Although most of these pesticides have been restricted since 1962, otter numbers have not increased a great deal.
Misinformation much?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6742033.stm
http://www.countryside-alliance.org....ack-on-stream/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6565635.stm
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:30 PM   #506
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I agree with everything in your links. Your last link (BBC Scotland) even supports the hunting theory I raised.

http://www.ypte.org.uk/animal/otter-eurasian-/150

I posted the quote trying to be helpful as I know many people don't bother going through to the site. Sorry.
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:38 PM   #507
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/conte..._feature.shtml

http://www.acigawis.co.uk/awisnews.htm
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:17 AM   #508
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The Economist take a swipe at the EU's hypocrisy.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...=hptextfeature
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