Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Insightful Although...on this one thing, I'll finally agree with you.

The concept of "in control" is kind of lost already, though. If this thing settles down in the next couple of days/weeks...back to the status quo of (say) a couple of months ago...then things are still largely out of control. Hezbollah will still control S. Lebanon, and the "legitimate" leader of Lebanon has now come out and accused Israel of "cruel retaliation" or something to that effect. They're not going to be at a negotiating table anytime soon.

On the other hand, if this goes the distance and Israel invades and occupies Lebanon, it's even more out of control.

I.e./ "The region is ****ed!"

Okay, being a little more serious about it this time, I think we are indeed at a tipping point. I think the situation is becoming more dire on both sides. I think the Lebanese government knows they cannot control Hezbollah and have communicated it that way to the Israelis. Hezbollah was long ago expected to fall in with the Lebanese armed services, but resisted, continuing to operate independently. I think Israel has blamed the government hoping they would be able to appeal to Hezbollah one way or the other. I feel this has only hardened the resolve of the "freedom fighters"/"terrorist organization"/"militia".

I think Israel is now realizing they pushed in the majority of their chips and don't have the hand to win the game in the fashion they hoped. They now have to re-evaluate and make sure they come out of this looking like they were going in with the right intentions. The only solution may be all out war just to save face. How else is Israel going to explain taking out all that key infrastructure? I think the only way Israel can come out of this clean is to invade and occupy.

How that will play out in the rest of the region is unclear at this time. IMO, Iran and Syria have been way too quiet. Egypt concerns me as well. When these players are not being hread from in such an important matter to regional stability, that tells me something is up. These three parties could be holding off to see what the Israeli's next move is. Any way you look at it, Israel is going to come out of this looking pretty bad and responsible for a gross over reaction in attacking civilian infrastructure targets. The next move is theirs, and I think Israel is wondering what they can do to come out of this with the least amount of damage.

One thing that does concern me greatly, is the ex-patriots being shipped out. That's a clear indicator that other governments see this as getting uglier in the immediate, and it lasting for a while. I can't see a country recovering their ex-patriots without having an idea where this was headed. At this point, I would think this is going to head in the wrong direction in the next few days based on the expedited schedule for getting the citizens of other countries out of the region. My advice to anyone i the region. Duck and cover.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ya well I am not going to lose my job and risk criminal charges by posting classified material to prove or disprove your points.

You need a security clearance to be in daycare these days? Wow. The Canadian government has gone hardcore under Harper!

[HOZ]

Have to say I am enjoying Lanny's decent into madness. Like watching a carwreck in slow motion. Keep screaming stop but he keeps rolling on.

As always the usual loon and moonbats are out in force to defend the terrorists. 6 months and Hamas starts a fight to get everyones attention off of the fact that they suck at governing and are great at terrorising. Must still stinging from having one of their leaders meekly surrender in his gonch to the IDF.

As for Hezbollah (the largest terrorsit org. int he world!!!)
I haven't seen a good St. Noam quote lately ever since he got back from "hang'n" with Hezbollah and call Isreal a terrorist state, to see where his view lie in all this. I am sure he is washing his hands like he did with Pol Pot.

I hear Hezbollah's leader has been killed. ****ty.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

What the hell are you talking about? Boat people? Are you denying that US forces killed millions, or pointing out that the North also killed many?

As per the norm, your post is unintelligble.

Didn't deny a thing. Just had to add to your usual anti-american post. North Vietnamese killed there million in a much shorter period....commited genocide too!!!!!

How is St. Noam by the way?

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Have to say I am enjoying Lanny's decent into madness. Like watching a carwreck in slow motion. Keep screaming stop but he keeps rolling on.

As always the usual loon and moonbats are out in force to defend the terrorists. 6 months and Hamas starts a fight to get everyones attention off of the fact that they suck at governing and are great at terrorising. Must still stinging from having one of their leaders meekly surrender in his gonch to the IDF.

As for Hezbollah (the largest terrorsit org. int he world!!!)
I haven't seen a good St. Noam quote lately ever since he got back from "hang'n" with Hezbollah and call Isreal a terrorist state, to see where his view lie in all this. I am sure he is washing his hands like he did with Pol Pot.

I hear Hezbollah's leader has been killed. ****ty.

Nice piece of trolling. Should we expect anything less from you?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

You need a security clearance to be in daycare these days? Wow. The Canadian government has gone hardcore under Harper!

That was a mature comment. People are going to take you even more seriously now.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

That was a mature comment. People are going to take you even more seriously now.

Hey, you're the one claiming to be a secret agent, not me.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Hey, you're the one claiming to be a secret agent, not me.

I did???

Where exactly did you read that?? Oh.......Yes.......your reading between the lines again.......nice.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

How is St. Noam by the way?

You know, it's not funny. You've had three swings with that one and it's just not going to connect.

Anyhow, I just heard on the BBC news that "there have been 285 patients today, not a single one of them military or Hezbollah. One third of them children". They showed a cute little baby with plenty of shrapnel wounds.

I suppose I'm a loon and a moonbat (that's a clever one, btw) to even suggest that this is not helping Israel.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You know, it's not funny. You've had three swings with that one and it's just not going to connect.

Anyhow, I just heard on the BBC news that "there have been 285 patients today, not a single one of them military or Hezbollah. One third of them children". They showed a cute little baby with plenty of shrapnel wounds.

I suppose I'm a loon and a moonbat (that's a clever one, btw) to even suggest that this is not helping Israel.

I agree with you that a lot of inoccent people are being killed and injured, but I am sure the BBC is showing what they want to show, just like the CBC is only showing people who are ****ed off at how slow "apparently" the Canadian government is at getting the citizens out. My guess there is more people that are thankful or happy they are out than people who are ****ed off because they couldn't get out the day the bombs dropped.

[HOZ]

Guess who said this....

I really wanted to say that, for all those who accuse the likes of myself and the birthday girl of being unpatriotic, or hating America first, the feeling I've had watching Israel defend herself and a US president defend Israel (a country that is held to a standard for "restraint" that no other country ever is asked to meet, but that's another story) just reminds me how wrong that is. I LOVE being on the side of my president, and mouthing "You go, boy" when he gets it right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-m...-_b_25375.html

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You know, it's not funny. You've had three swings with that one and it's just not going to connect.

Anyhow, I just heard on the BBC news that "there have been 285 patients today, not a single one of them military or Hezbollah. One third of them children". They showed a cute little baby with plenty of shrapnel wounds.

I suppose I'm a loon and a moonbat (that's a clever one, btw) to even suggest that this is not helping Israel.

What does BBC say about Hezbollah? Largest Tewrrorist org int he world BTW.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm
Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel.


Their arms and where?
Hezbollah has hidden hundreds of ready-to-fire rockets in populated *****e neighborhoods, in apartment buildings, parking garages and farms, Israeli sources said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/stor...p-367346c.html


Maybe that explains the casualties?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

What does BBC say about Hezbollah? Largest Tewrrorist org int he world BTW.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm
Hezbollah's political rhetoric has centred on calls for the destruction of the state of Israel.


Their arms and where?
Hezbollah has hidden hundreds of ready-to-fire rockets in populated *****e neighborhoods, in apartment buildings, parking garages and farms, Israeli sources said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/stor...p-367346c.html


Maybe that explains the casualties?

Yeah, I get it. They are terrorists. I'm not defending their actions, I am criticizing Israel's. I don't like police brutality either, but it doesn't mean I'm pro-crime.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I did???

Where exactly did you read that?? Oh.......Yes.......your reading between the lines again.......nice.

You're saying that you have access to classified materials (highly compartmentalized) that would prove just how wrong me, and a dozen other people in this thread, are about our position. Based on the discussion and the subject matter, that would mean you have access to military intel, meaning you are either senior military or an intelligence analyst/operative. You're too stupid and bigotted to be any sort of analyst. Analysts have to be able to see both sides of the conflict, digest the data, and make recommendations based on all of the data, not just the data that fits their story (your nice little lie earlier in this thread proves you incapable of analysis work). A senior military officer would likely not be on a message board freely discussing matters like this, as they would be well aware that all traffic leaving their infrastrature is monitored. That leaves one more option. So what are you going to claim to be next? Come on, meet the challenge. Move to Edmonton, steal yourself a pair of ball off the back of a truck and man up! Support your claim!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Guess who said this....

I really wanted to say that, for all those who accuse the likes of myself and the birthday girl of being unpatriotic, or hating America first, the feeling I've had watching Israel defend herself and a US president defend Israel (a country that is held to a standard for "restraint" that no other country ever is asked to meet, but that's another story) just reminds me how wrong that is. I LOVE being on the side of my president, and mouthing "You go, boy" when he gets it right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-m...-_b_25375.html

Good on Bill Maher. He has the right to support who he wishes. That's what makes America great. Bill has always been pro-Israel, so that's not overly surprising. I'll be looking forward to hearing more on his position and why he feels this way, if it is just his connection to the jewish community, or if he feels this is political correct.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah, I get it. They are terrorists. I'm not defending their actions, I am criticizing Israel's. I don't like police brutality either, but it doesn't mean I'm pro-crime.

I know you get that.

What you don't seem to get is that Hebollah is operating out out civilain homes, and basically right amongst them.

That is why there are innocent civilians being killed, EVEN THOUGH Israel is not trying to do it on purpose.

Hezbollah on the other hand, seems to directly try and launch their rockets at Israeli citizens, showing yet again who is the terrorizing nation, and who is AT LEAST trying to minimize casualties.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

What you don't seem to get is that Hebollah is operating out out civilain homes, and basically right amongst them.

Sounds like a job for special forces, not air forces.

That is why there are innocent civilians being killed, EVEN THOUGH Israel is not trying to do it on purpose.

Can you prove that? It seems Israel is not just dropping smart bombs, they are firing artillery pieces as well. That is not an attempt to make a surgical strike. That's nothing more than an attempt to soften up the enemy.

Hezbollah on the other hand, seems to directly try and launch their rockets at Israeli citizens, showing yet again who is the terrorizing nation, and who is AT LEAST trying to minimize casualties.

As indicated in a previously linked article, both sides are using less than exacting weapons. The Israelis are not attempting to make the clean strikes you suggest. They are using artillery pieces and firing indescriminantly into Lebanon. Both sides are using similar tactics.

[Azure]

Sounds like a job for special forces, not air forces.

I can't disagree with that. But I think me and you would agree that Hezbollah infastructure SHOULD be destroyed by Special Forces.

Israel is hinting at a invasion though. And we all know how bloody house to house warefare can be.

Can you prove that? It seems Israel is not just dropping smart bombs, they are firing artillery pieces as well. That is not an attempt to make a surgical strike. That's nothing more than an attempt to soften up the enemy.

Yet, they are still firing at Hezbollah infastructure, HOPING to kill and destroy the terrorists. And YES, by doing that, they are and will hit innocent civilians.

That is where the theory of collateral damage applies, even though me, you and everyone else cannot stand it.

As indicated in a previously linked article, both sides are using less than exacting weapons. The Israelis are not attempting to make the clean strikes you suggest. They are using artillery pieces and firing indescriminantly into Lebanon. Both sides are using similar tactics.

One side is shooting at cities, the other at terrorist targets.

Thats where I find the difference.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

I know you get that.

What you don't seem to get is that Hebollah is operating out out civilain homes, and basically right amongst them.

That is why there are innocent civilians being killed, EVEN THOUGH Israel is not trying to do it on purpose.

Hezbollah on the other hand, seems to directly try and launch their rockets at Israeli citizens, showing yet again who is the terrorizing nation, and who is AT LEAST trying to minimize casualties.

Trying to minimize casualties? I don't know about that. They certainly aren't trying to maximize casualties, but they don't seem too worried about killing scores of civilians. How do I know this? Because the Israelis know that they are killing civilians and they've said "yeah, and we are going to continue doing what we are doing".

I saw a woman on the news earlier tonight and she is worried about her parents trying to get out of Lebanon. There was some talk of a bus taking them somewhere but since the Israeli jets are targetting big trucks and buses because they might be carrying something nasty. The PM was on Larry King and he said the same thing. Does that sound like trying to minimize civilian casualties to you?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

You're saying that you have access to classified materials (highly compartmentalized) that would prove just how wrong me, and a dozen other people in this thread, are about our position. Based on the discussion and the subject matter, that would mean you have access to military intel, meaning you are either senior military or an intelligence analyst/operative. You're too stupid and bigotted to be any sort of analyst. Analysts have to be able to see both sides of the conflict, digest the data, and make recommendations based on all of the data, not just the data that fits their story (your nice little lie earlier in this thread proves you incapable of analysis work). A senior military officer would likely not be on a message board freely discussing matters like this, as they would be well aware that all traffic leaving their infrastrature is monitored. That leaves one more option. So what are you going to claim to be next? Come on, meet the challenge. Move to Edmonton, steal yourself a pair of ball off the back of a truck and man up! Support your claim!

If you think the only people that have access to classified material are senior military personal or analysts then you are even more out to lunch than I thought. Also whats with you going around claiming I said all this crap that proves you wrong and claiming to be a secret agent???? Weren't you the one yesterday calling me a lier and fraud because YOU thought I mis-represented myself??? Yet you have no problem posting complete fallacies of what you claim others have said.

What makes you think I am posting these messages from a government controlled terminal?? Did it ever cross your mind that maybe I have my own computer at home or a laptop that I can carry on business not on a government network??? I never told you that I would prove you wrong. I actually said I would not provide material that May Prove you right or wrong.

Like I said I don't need to prove to you what materials I have access to and I never expected you to believe my claim because even if I did provide materials to you you would only accept them if it came from your relative, apparently.

But keep on with the bla bla bla it just shows the rest of the forum what kind of arogant person you are.